Straight flush vs A high flush

what do I do on the river if I suspect he has the straight flush???? I mean I just called which is obv i thought he had me since most are stacking here...but can I fold here and was this a good read by me or not good enough since i still lost money...my head hurts

pokerstars Game #19317740451: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/03 - 03:33:29 (ET)
Table 'Vega II' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: Resindog ($46.90 in chips)
Seat 2: 2021ant ($110.40 in chips)
Seat 3: jbashir111 ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: Pictizzle ($22.55 in chips)
Seat 5: Minigun134 ($25.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Herthape ($26.95 in chips)
Seat 7: KingCurtis67 ($27.20 in chips)
Seat 8: 931243732 ($26.80 in chips)
Seat 9: sgt_orion ($20.05 in chips)
KingCurtis67: posts small blind $0.10
931243732: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KingCurtis67 [Ac Jd]
sgt_orion: calls $0.25
Resindog: folds
2021ant: raises $1 to $1.25
jbashir111: folds
Pictizzle: folds
Minigun134: folds
Herthape: folds
KingCurtis67: calls $1.15
931243732: folds
sgt_orion: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks Jc Qc]
KingCurtis67: checks
2021ant: bets $1.25
KingCurtis67: calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [Ks Jc Qc] [8c]
KingCurtis67: checks
2021ant: bets $1.25
KingCurtis67: calls $1.25
*** RIVER *** [Ks Jc Qc 8c] [Tc]
KingCurtis67: checks
2021ant: bets $7.65
KingCurtis67: calls $7.65
*** SHOW DOWN ***
2021ant: shows [9c 9h] (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
KingCurtis67: mucks hand
2021ant collected $22.20 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.30 | Rake $1.10
Board [Ks Jc Qc 8c Tc]
Seat 1: Resindog folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: 2021ant showed [9c 9h] and won ($22.20) with a straight flush, Eight to Queen
Seat 3: jbashir111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Pictizzle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Minigun134 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Herthape (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: KingCurtis67 (small blind) mucked [Ac Jd]
Seat 8: 931243732 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: sgt_orion folded before Flop

Its a good read that you put on your opponent.. would have been a tough laydown i must say.. you got the ace high flush... i mean to lose to a straight flush is just unlucky and it happens 1 in i dont know a few tens of thousand hands... i dont really think you could have done anything different...

Never lay this down without a super-user account.

Why not attack weakness on the turn? Betting 1.25 into 5 is just weak

Well played, IMO. Even if you had bet the turn instead of check, don't think villain was going anywhere. Sure, had a gr8 draw of your own after the flop, but it was still bottom pair, top kicker.

You could have bluff bet a royal on the river with a re-raise or all-in, but if you put him on the StrFl, then you know he would have called. Having you outstacked would only have cost you more and he certainly wasn't folding a StrFl.

Just one of those hands that brands "why me?" on your forehead. Had one of these hands about a year ago and I still remember it well - in hearts. Virtually the exact same sequence, too.

Honestly I am impressed I made the read and just called, I mena who isn't stacking here so i guess this should be a brag?? no?

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run. You have the 2nd nuts in a HU pot, you will get looked up by the king of clubs, even rag aces and 9's, hell even two pair will look you up at 25nl.

Therefore i edge slightly towards shoving>calling>>>>>>>>>>>folding

Unless villain is a complete nit who is only better then 9 of clubs here, then i fold, but thats rare

For some analysis to make it less brag like: I'm not crazy about the call preflop. Being out of position with a hand that flops poorly is not fun.

If this villain is aggressive & prone to bluffing, I could certainly see raising the turn. Otherwise I might just let it go. Our draw can get paid off by so few hands (Kc is the only hand that would really pay us), so its better to use the equity our draw has to bluff with rather than for implied odds.

switch0723 said:

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run. You have the 2nd nuts in a HU pot, you will get looked up by the king of clubs, even rag aces and 9's, hell even two pair will look you up at 25nl.

Therefore i edge slightly towards shoving>calling>>>>>>>>>>>folding

Unless villain is a complete nit who is only better then 9 of clubs here, then i fold, but thats rare

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LOL, well yeah in any other situation I'm shoving obv, but what I am saying is that for some crazy soul read reason...I felt as if though i was beat, I mean why else would I not come over the top??

So with my read....was my call just stupid...why didn't I fold If I thought I was beat, and gawd I wish I would have folded how much of a brag would that be

Fold PF. As simple as that... it's not a great drawing hand, and you'll be oop for the rest of the hand. As played, I would've repopped the turn to about 7 or 8 bucks, semibluffing... Then the pot would've been yours.

You obviously lost the minimum there, and it was good for this one particular hand.

Most of the time you're going to get as much money into the pot at showdown as possible. One card had you beat, and there weaker flushes and straights that would have called you down.
But good read.

aye i agree with the good read, its just the play was pretty poor

Here is a case where I FLOPPED the straight flush and slow played it - come to find out he had the AK of the same suite and was slow playing his Ace High Flopped Flush. - He had no idea and he went down...


full tilt poker Game #7350081792: $10 + $0.50 Heads Up Sit & Go (55887951), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:24:55 ET - 2008/07/23
Seat 1: CostelloC1 (1,045)
Seat 2: XiMaker (1,955)
CostelloC1 posts the small blind of 20
XiMaker posts the big blind of 40
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to XiMaker [7h 4h]
CostelloC1 calls 20
XiMaker checks
*** FLOP *** [6h 5h 3h]
XiMaker checks
CostelloC1 checks
*** TURN *** [6h 5h 3h] [9d]
XiMaker checks
CostelloC1 checks
*** RIVER *** [6h 5h 3h 9d] [Th]
XiMaker bets 80
CostelloC1 raises to 320
XiMaker raises to 1,915, and is all in
CostelloC1 calls 685, and is all in
Uncalled bet of 910 returned to XiMaker
*** SHOW DOWN ***
XiMaker shows [7h 4h] a straight flush, Seven high
CostelloC1 shows [Ah Kh] a flush, Ace high
XiMaker wins the pot (2,090) with a straight flush, Seven high
CostelloC1 stands up
XiMaker stands up
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2,090 | Rake 0
Board: [6h 5h 3h 9d Th]
Seat 1: CostelloC1 (small blind) showed [Ah Kh] and lost with a flush, Ace high
Seat 2: XiMaker (big blind) showed [7h 4h] and won (2,090) with a straight flush, Seven high

Those hands are crazy, IMO. If theres 4 to the straight flush on the board, whether its open-ended or inside, its still going to be hard to lay down the nut flush. All this could come down to is whatever notes you have on the player's betting style, and if there are none, I'd personally still have a tough time laying this down. He could have a lower flush and think you have a low one also, depending on how loose/dumb he really is

switch0723 said:

not shoving river here is a mistake imo and will lose you money in the long run.

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Yes by all means when I am heads-up against you and have you covered, shove all-in with the 2nd best hand on the river. The all-in shove if one was made should have been on the turn.

tbdbitl said:

Yes by all means when I am heads-up against you and have you covered, shove all-in with the 2nd best hand on the river. The all-in shove if one was made should have been on the turn.

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I would willingly shove the 2nd nuts heads up all day. I don't really understand your post fwiw

........and u should go broke with the second nutz .Unless ur playing live and your opponent is eating oreos it's ev----- to do what u did.....

I am going to have to agree on the point that you should probably have attacked back on the turn.
However, on the river, I don't think you could have possibly gotten away, but with that read it was good to just call.

you said for yourself, you had a feeling- that was your gut- that little poker voice talking to you, i know cause i've done the same thing by ignoring it. and within the second i'd made my move it was too late. i keep fighting it because i want to win that bad, but it ends up self defeating, when i don't listen.
and you can't bluff someone on that hand unless they're a complete idiot, would you of folded his hand, it would be much easier to fold your hand. and as far your read, reading your opponent just isn't worth a thing unless you act on it: opp-better hand/ fold; opp-worst/bluff-bet, etc..