Some loose wiring, nl$100 AQ in a limpy pot.

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Like my line ? Villian is 12/6/7 over a small sample of 36 hands

pokerstars Game #13633625920: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2007/12/03 - 19:39:48 (ET)
Table 'Alkimos' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: BestinKC ($100 in chips)
Seat 2: mfmps41 ($106.85 in chips)
Seat 3: im8yearsold ($153.20 in chips)
Seat 4: veggiess ($88.35 in chips)
Seat 5: shipshark ($37.45 in chips)
Seat 6: dudasdb ($108.85 in chips)
Seat 7: tenbob ($141.30 in chips)
Seat 8: WHERErMYnutZ ($98 in chips)
Seat 9: 666 INRI ($353.30 in chips)
666 INRI: posts small blind $0.50
BestinKC: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tenbob [Qc Ah]
mfmps41: calls $1
im8yearsold: folds
veggiess: folds
shipshark: folds
dudasdb: calls $1
tenbob: calls $1
WHERErMYnutZ: folds
666 INRI: folds
BestinKC: checks
*** FLOP *** [3s As 4h]
BestinKC: checks
mfmps41: bets $3
dudasdb: folds
tenbob: calls $3
BestinKC: calls $3
*** TURN *** [3s As 4h] [Jc]
BestinKC: checks
mfmps41: bets $8
tenbob: calls $8
BestinKC: folds
*** RIVER *** [3s As 4h Jc] [3c]
mfmps41: bets $14
tenbob: calls $14
 
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i think u should have thrown in a bet there on the river nothing big just somthing like 1/2 the pot
a bit tight
 
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I like it as a switch up play.

If you bet half pot on the river and he raises you can't really call. The pot control is good.
 
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Notes on Tenbob...has a trapping mentality. beware!
 
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I like the turn call with another villain closing the action since we can get a nice overcall from him: raising here has little value after flat calling flop if we know he will also call with his spades.

River is a raise for me since that 3 is a brick and I feel we could get some more value out of weaker aces. We are crushing his range here unless he turned a set of jacks wich is pretty unlikely given preflop action. AJ is also unlikely give how tight he plays (AJ is probably borderline for him to raise preflop). His AG factor also has him three barreling this often enough that he might even look us up with TT if we raise.

Raise to 40.
 
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I like the turn call with another villain closing the action since we can get a nice overcall from him: raising here has little value after flat calling flop if we know he will also call with his spades.

River is a raise for me since that 3 is a brick and I feel we could get some more value out of weaker aces. We are crushing his range here unless he turned a set of jacks wich is pretty unlikely given preflop action. AJ is also unlikely give how tight he plays (AJ is probably borderline for him to raise preflop). His AG factor also has him three barreling this often enough that he might even look us up with TT if we raise.

Raise to 40.

Yea but in reality 1010 does not call a $40 bet, and if we get re-raised then we are done. Does A10-A5 call here ? Doubt it. I think any hand that calls a $40 raise has us beat, and we are likely facing a re-raise from them forcing us to fold.
 
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This line is good for this level.

I would put villain on a range of TT+ JTs+ AJo+ and KQ preflop. Villain is value betting so this is more than likely some sort of hand and not complete air. I don't think villain would normally three barrel with less than a pair of jacks here. The flop bet could mean anything, but, the turn and river bet say that he has something. He also knows that he has some fold equity so betting with one of the weaker made hands is not impossible.

With that said we do have some showdown value and calling this down is not a bad play. I would expect to see KQ of spades, KJ, QJ, KK, QQ, AJ, AA, or JJ here a majority of the time at showdown.

We are in the middle of this range so betting the river is bad. Only a hand better than ours will call and we definately can't call a push.
 
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Yea but in reality 1010 does not call a $40 bet, and if we get re-raised then we are done. Does A10-A5 call here ? Doubt it. I think any hand that calls a $40 raise has us beat, and we are likely facing a re-raise from them forcing us to fold.

I know, but it just feels wrong/gross to call all streets against this guy with what is probably the nuts.
 
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I know, but it just feels wrong/gross to call all streets against this guy with what is probably the nuts.

What range do you put villain on that puts us ahead a MAJORITY of the time here?
 
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What range do you put villain on that puts us ahead a MAJORITY of the time here?
Good % of air due to villain being aggro/married to hands/ small PP due to being limpy preflop and UTG (66,77,88,99,TT) since this is not a very scary board to three barrell after only getting called preflop (less A's but maybe some J's in tenbob's range than if he raised), one pair hand trying to value bet miss spades (QJ, KJ, AX, etc.)/miss spades trying to have tenbob fold (KQs). There really isn't a lot of sets or better in villains' hand here (tight guy probably won't limp 33,44 UTG, but maybe JJ, altough I doubt it), but a lot of A5, JX, small PP, etc. And there's not a lot of two pairs hand either, except for AJ, but if he limps that, take note and move on.

I really don't see why we are afraid of being behind a majority of the time here against such a villain. But I agree that raising nets us zero (... doesn'T change the fact that it is still appealing to me ;))
 
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I really don't see why we are afraid of being behind a majority of the time here against such a villain. But I agree that raising nets us zero (... doesn'T change the fact that it is still appealing to me ;))

Raising here puts us out of the hand against worse hands that decide to shove as well :) But we cannot assume that, usually worse hands fold, and better hands call or raise hence calling down. Raising here in a limped pot is also a total implied odds spew, we are bloating the pot with a pair, which we dont want, we want the pot within controll.

Donk had A-rag and I took it down.
 
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