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Black_Fox

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I don't know what the hell happened here, oh yeah - i got cleaned out.

BIG TIME!

I entered a ring game with $110 to play with.

First hand, big blind - got dealt K7. Hit two pair and won around $45.

Then i got pocket 5's, decided to play them - BIG mistake.

Flop comes

10 10 J

I check, opponent checks.

Turn is a 7

Again, check, check.

River is a 5!

Money!

Opponent bets $12.

I move all in for $160ish.

Quick call, he turns over....

JJ.

I could literally cry.

BF
 
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FYI

pokerstars Game #10032158081: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2007/05/21 - 13:41:38 (ET)
Table 'Freia V' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Percyeus86 ($128 in chips)
Seat 2: sketch12 ($175.45 in chips)
Seat 3: bigjuicy1 ($222 in chips)
Seat 4: dabbis35 ($449.80 in chips)
Seat 6: Poly_Baller ($864.10 in chips)
sketch12: posts small blind $2
bigjuicy1: posts big blind $4
Midd Bear: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Percyeus86 [5h 5c]
dabbis35: folds
Poly_Baller: folds
Percyeus86: calls $4
sketch12: raises $8 to $12
bigjuicy1: folds
Percyeus86: calls $8
*** FLOP *** [Tc Th Jd]
sketch12: checks
Percyeus86: checks
*** TURN *** [Tc Th Jd] [7s]
sketch12: checks
Percyeus86: checks
*** RIVER *** [Tc Th Jd 7s] [5d]
sketch12: bets $32
Percyeus86: raises $84 to $116 and is all-in
sketch12: calls $84
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Percyeus86: shows [5h 5c] (a full house, Fives full of Tens)
sketch12: shows [Js Jh] (a full house, Jacks full of Tens)
sketch12 collected $258 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $260 | Rake $2
Board [Tc Th Jd 7s 5d]
Seat 1: Percyeus86 (button) showed [5h 5c] and lost with a full house, Fives full of Tens
Seat 2: sketch12 (small blind) showed [Js Jh] and won ($258) with a full house, Jacks full of Tens
Seat 3: bigjuicy1 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: dabbis35 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Poly_Baller folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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5-handed, that is a really bad break. Hard not to lose it all under those circumstances. He went from checking flop and turn to betting $32 on the river in a $28 pot. In hindsight something was wrong but its hard to think you're behind.

Better luck next time.
 
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Thats just really bad luck. id probably been cleaned out here two.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I've come to one conclusion here and that's...

FOLD POCKET 5's to a raise, even if you are on the button.

BF
 
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err any one want to point out tht raised a crazy amount there were only getting called if u had lost. Porbably dont get away from it anyway but coulda lost slower:cool:
 
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Why not shove Stef? You have a FH, he bets $32 on a river that didn't help him. His play, including PF raise, could be anything QQ+, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, and even if less probable, AT. There's
 
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There's always the chance he slowplayed a monster of course, as he did, but shoving there is not a bad idea as you can induce a call from many hands, depending on player, particularly overpairs. The shove is fine IMO.
 
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Thanks for the replies guys.

I've come to one conclusion here and that's...

FOLD POCKET 5's to a raise, even if you are on the button.

BF

I almost always will fold small pair to a raise
But
If i play that hand i would have done the same thing you did
Bad luck.
 
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Why not shove Stef? You have a FH, he bets $32 on a river that didn't help him. His play, including PF raise, could be anything QQ+, AK, AQ, AJ, KQ, and even if less probable, AT. There's always the chance he slowplayed a monster of course, as he did, but shoving there is not a bad idea as you can induce a call from many hands, depending on player, particularly overpairs. The shove is fine IMO.

Why would any of those hands take this line?

This is a very very suspect line he's taken IMO. Why would he try to bluff the river with a strong unimproved ace if we've been shown keen interest in showing down the hand? He would be happy to check the river. There would be no reason for him to bet. This just smells like a trap to me.

Having said all that, we're too shortstacked to get away from this anyways. I think smooth calling the river is just weak, but we can't raise a smaller amount considering his huge bet, then fold to a reraise. Buy in for the maximum every time. In this scenario, it would give you the chance to raise the river then fold to a big reraise.

Oh, and raise/fold preflop. Limping first in on the button in a shorthanded game is really bad.
 
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Why would any of those hands take this line?

This is a very very suspect line he's taken IMO. Why would he try to bluff the river with a strong unimproved ace if we've been shown keen interest in showing down the hand? He would be happy to check the river. There would be no reason for him to bet. This just smells like a trap to me.

Having said all that, we're too shortstacked to get away from this anyways. I think smooth calling the river is just weak, but we can't raise a smaller amount considering his huge bet, then fold to a reraise. Buy in for the maximum every time. In this scenario, it would give you the chance to raise the river then fold to a big reraise.

Oh, and raise/fold preflop. Limping first in on the button in a shorthanded game is really bad.


I've seen plays like this all the time made with those hands, although I don't play those levels. Maybe the unimproved A wouldn't, but the QQ+ or any T would. I can easily see a slowplayed T or QQ+ doing this.

It is, in any case, a PF fold.
 
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Making this play with any ten I can definitely see. Big pair, I can't. Maybe just a difference in opinion or experience.

I think more often than not, this is a monster, and occasionally it's a weird play with a big ace, big pair or small/med pair, or a bluff.
 
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I'd probably have folded the 55 on the raise. I agree the river's hard to get away from... but a reraise all-in ? If he has an overpair, he's going to fold. He should know QQ/KK/AA would be no good (Barring any reads on Villain that'd indicate Villain's a donk). Would Villain have raised $12 with AT and slowplay it with a possible straight draw on the board? Not very likely. He'd certainly not have raised with a ten + anything less than an ace. When villain raises the river, he's either bluffing or has us beat. If he's bluffing, he'd fold to the all-in raise... so we can only be called by a hand that beats us.

There's no way I'd fold though. But flat call ? Very likely.
 
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I don't know if anyone pointed this out, but $2/$4 table, and sitting down with $110??? That was your first mistake right there. First off, don't play with your entire BR on the table. Second off, even if that $110 wasn't your entire BR, you shouldn't have sat down at a $2/$4 table with that amount. You could barely sit at a $1/$2 table with that amount. With $110, you should have been at the .50/1 stakes (and that's only if that $110 isn't your entire BR).

I think you should go search some posts on here about BR management, or just check out some articles. Trust me, it'll help. BR management is one of the keys to success in poker, and it's something that most new players ignore the most.
 
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You should have folded pre-flop it would have got you out of the bad beat. Once the river hit there is almost no way not to push all-in.
 
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You were just a dinghy in the path of the battleship......
 
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Depending on my read i would have been comfortable calling preflop on the button with 5's in the hole.

I would have bet at that flop from his check, 5's are only going to get worse after each card. If he smooth called or raised here i would have left the hand or checked/folded whicherver i could do first.

On the river i would have only called , you do not have the best hand here on this table and his $32 bet is not a bluff if he had two pair Jacks high he would have bet that on the turn and would never call a raise preflop or bet on the river with a 7.

The all in reraise was too much here and unecessary. It is understandable because you hit a monster right on the river after feeling you were behind throghout and that would have got the adrenalin going and caused you to make a rash decision.
 
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