Should I lay down these trips?

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I had As10d and I don't remeber the cards exactly but two 10's came down on the flop and some other card and 2 of the cards were Spades. So, on a $1/$2 table at a casino in reno, I bet $15, then an opponent called. The turn gave another spade making 3 spades. I then bet 30 and the guy reraised me another 30 making a total of 60. After I he did that I put him all in. Of course I lost. There was 3 people in the hand this whole time, I was wondering if I should of laydown my hand? My brother said, based on my outs I had a 33% chance of getting the nut flush or full house.
 
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I know its hard Eric. I fold alot of good hands when staring at flush draws or possibe flushs. It hurts. I used to stay and as you did lost all the time. My new theory is live to play another hand
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well losing $250 bucks made me rethink this.
 
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Brothers right, too many outs if you're sure he has flush. $250? You had alot left to push there. 17/44 v flush, about break even push as long as no made fh. I'd just call with that much behind.
 
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flush draws?

Now, ok it makes sense to fold with 3 cards of the same suit out already, but if there are 2 cards of the same suit and you have a good hand should I bet whats in the pot to get people chasing a flush to fold? But, what do I do when people chasing a flush do call me or how would I even know if they have a flush or not.
 
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Have to practice reading hands to decide what opponent could have. Then decide based on situation and player whether you want to make him pay to draw/possibly fall behind, push them off draw/how much to bet, or risk slowplaying to set a trap.
 
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If you are pretty sure he has the flush, then you have 7 flush cards, 1 T, 3 Aces, and an additional 6 cards to pair the board twice to give you nut flush/boat.

So that is 17/44 = 39% to win the hand on the river. So then just figure out what pot odds you were getting and you can figure out whether or not putting him all in was good or bad.

However, if you are pretty sure he has the flush then you are better off flat calling the reraise because you could save some money on the river if he value bets, or potentially make a good lay down if you think he has you beat enough times there to make a river call unprofitable in the long run. Since you say you lost $250 on this hand, you must have been pretty deep and most likely wouldn't have had to commit your stack for this hand had u just called the reraise (unless you hit nutflush/boat obviously). A problem with shoving in this situation is that you have very little fold equity.

Now, ok it makes sense to fold with 3 cards of the same suit out already, but if there are 2 cards of the same suit and you have a good hand should I bet whats in the pot to get people chasing a flush to fold? But, what do I do when people chasing a flush do call me or how would I even know if they have a flush or not.

No you should absolutely never fold this hand to a min raise. You are getting phenomenal odds to draw to the nut flush/boat if nothing else. Shoving all in when you are 1. very deep 2. quite possibly behind in the hand and 3. have basically no fold equity, is not really the move you want to be making however.

As for the rest, you don't have to bet the pot for ppl chasing a flush. If you are vs a calling station, then you want to bet more (so pot size is probably fine) to extract more value, but you have to bet less than 1/2 pot to give somebody with a flush draw odds to draw to the turn from the flop or the river from the turn. So 2/3 or 3/4 pot etc is fine. And you can't know they have a flush for sure, you can just estimate what range of hands they will be making the same move with and figure out what % of those hands you can beat and from that you figure out the most profitable move to make.
 
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ok thanks, I never thought of it that way
 
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