Should I have called this instead of folding?

pokerstars Game #18817998214: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/07/14 - 15:20:03 (ET)
Table 'Bellatrix III' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DRATHORGON ($1.59 in chips)
Seat 2: Aprile151 ($5.36 in chips)
Seat 3: kmixer ($3.03 in chips)
Seat 4: Nachbasjung ($2.86 in chips)
Seat 5: supertotti ($3.05 in chips)
Seat 6: kaypax1975 ($0.94 in chips)
Seat 7: SpielerABC ($4.92 in chips)
Seat 8: Chr1s @aron ($5.02 in chips)
Seat 9: p0cKet_A$ ($5.04 in chips)
Aprile151: posts small blind $0.01
kmixer: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kmixer [Kc Ah]
Nachbasjung: calls $0.02
supertotti: calls $0.02
kaypax1975: calls $0.02
SpielerABC: calls $0.02
Chr1s @aron: folds
p0cKet_A$: calls $0.02
DRATHORGON: folds
Aprile151: folds
kmixer: raises $0.06 to $0.08
Nachbasjung: raises $2.78 to $2.86 and is all-in
supertotti: folds
kaypax1975: folds
SpielerABC: folds
p0cKet_A$: folds
kmixer: folds
Uncalled bet ($2.78) returned to Nachbasjung
p0cKet_A$ leaves the table
Nachbasjung collected $0.25 from pot
Nachbasjung: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.25 | Rake $0
Seat 1: DRATHORGON (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Aprile151 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: kmixer (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Nachbasjung collected ($0.25)
Seat 5: supertotti folded before Flop
Seat 6: kaypax1975 folded before Flop
Seat 7: SpielerABC folded before Flop
Seat 8: Chr1s @aron folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: p0cKet_A$ folded before Flop

yes

Can you explain why you think that. Or is this obvious and everyone will just say yes?

Once he did this I put him on a large pair. Not an all out bluff

After playing this table a little more it is obvious that this guy was playing like a maniac. I have no idea what he had on this hand and most of the other hands he played in were like .20 raises. No one really called him ever so it is impossible to tell if he was alwys on the steal.

at .01/.02 you always get it in preflop with AK

You just gotta be studying guys... but one thing id recommend... is when you have a bunch of limpers i like to raise 3x BB + 1 BB for every limper.. soo $0.16 here. maybe a bit less.. id do somewhere between $.12-$.16 depending on opponents stats.

As for this hand.. lets look at the possibilities...
Worst case scenario..
AA = 9:1
KK = 7:3
2nd worse..
QQ-22 = coin flip with slight favour to the pockets
Now all other scenarios we are ahead

If you read Harrington on Hold'em Vol 1 it says to not put a person on just one pair of cards... think of the percentages he is holding a range of cards. That you will have to do on your own... here is my opinion tho...

1. 10% AA or KK... 20% you will win so = 2%
2. 50% QQ - 22... 45% you will win so = 22%
3. 20% AK, AQ, AJ, KQ... 75% you will win so = 15%
4. 10% Bluff.. any other 2 cards.. 80% you will win so = 8%
(this is estimates... not exact.. just what i thought at the time )

so add those all together and you get 47%... basic coinflip situation. I would recommend folding because i like to put my chips in when i have more information and feel i am a bit more ahead.

good fold... imo

good fold? are you serious?
thats way too much analysis for .01/.02. people at .01/.02 can be shipping their entire stack with pretty much anything, and the only thing you should be afraid of is the elusive AA or KK which happens way too fkin rarely for u to fold AK there. in fact it's not even a fold at 50nl.

vanquish said:

good fold? are you serious?
thats way too much analysis for .01/.02. people at .01/.02 can be shipping their entire stack with pretty much anything, and the only thing you should be afraid of is the elusive AA or KK which happens way too fkin rarely for u to fold AK there. in fact it's not even a fold at 50nl.

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Yeah pretty much this...

although I'm not sure it's never a fold at $50... against some opponents yes but very few good opponents are just gonna shove like that preflop with AA or KK so....

At .01/.02? Insta-call.

I don't have access to my Poker Stove right now, but mathematically, calling was probably the right thing to do, but not overwhelmingly so. At these limits bad play reigns. The range of hands for this sort of rediculous overbet is pretty broad. If it were just any pair, then AK would be only a small underdog with the blinds as overlay making it a close call. But his range is probably alot bigger than that; any Ax, SC, KQ-QJ. Certainly the better hands are still more likely, but the weaker ones cannot be entirely discounted. In addition, in this case in addition to the blinds, it looks as though you have about 16 cents dead money which in itself would make the call profitable. But even if I knew I was a small underdog, I'd still call. 'Cause I loves ta bust donks.

pitter22 said:

You just gotta be studying guys... but one thing id recommend... is when you have a bunch of limpers i like to raise 3x BB + 1 BB for every limper.. soo $0.16 here. maybe a bit less.. id do somewhere between $.12-$.16 depending on opponents stats.

As for this hand.. lets look at the possibilities...
Worst case scenario..
AA = 9:1
KK = 7:3
2nd worse..
QQ-22 = coin flip with slight favour to the pockets
Now all other scenarios we are ahead

If you read Harrington on Hold'em Vol 1 it says to not put a person on just one pair of cards... think of the percentages he is holding a range of cards. That you will have to do on your own... here is my opinion tho...

1. 10% AA or KK... 20% you will win so = 2%
2. 50% QQ - 22... 45% you will win so = 22%
3. 20% AK, AQ, AJ, KQ... 75% you will win so = 15%
4. 10% Bluff.. any other 2 cards.. 80% you will win so = 8%
(this is estimates... not exact.. just what i thought at the time )

so add those all together and you get 47%... basic coinflip situation. I would recommend folding because i like to put my chips in when i have more information and feel i am a bit more ahead.

good fold... imo

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that makes no sense whatsoever. you can't just randomly assign %s for certain parts of a persons range. If he is pushing with anything in that range, the % is determined by the number of combinations for given hands, not some totally random made up % like you are using. If you run those ranges through an equity calculator you get 53%.

Against a reasonable range for this type of play at .01/.02, you have a clear equity edge. Insta-ship.

I would have called the hand, it seems obvious.
And is it the first hand you played on that table ?
You should see how they play and write it in the notes.

I see a lot of people at the .01/.02 jamming ATC here. He could very likely have a weak ace or something like AQ here. I call, especially againts a maniac