Shot taking and couple 200 NL (Full ring) hands

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YES I know playing 200 NL with only about 5 buyins is terrible bankroll management, but I swear to mighty Jesus that 10 NL hurts my brain at times. (Lowest limit on Carbon now)

Some of the unorthodox plays at 10 NL will make you scream wtf. I just shake my head and take notes and move on.

So I took a break from 10 NL and loaded up only one 200 NL table. I honestly hate multi tabling with a passion. The more tables I load, the more robotic I become. Being able to play one table with decent players was the highlight of my poker session.

So I ran into a couple hands I wanted to post:


HAND #1 (Basically the RAKE won. FU CARBON!) I was fist pumping when he shoved until I saw we had the same hand.

Merge, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
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Hero (SB): $200 (100 bb)
BB: $203 (101.5 bb)
UTG+1: $199 (99.5 bb)
UTG+2: $431.62 (215.8 bb)
MP1: $227.76 (113.9 bb)
MP2: $200 (100 bb)
MP3: $229.39 (114.7 bb)
CO: $86.13 (43.1 bb)
BTN: $89.03 (44.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J
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A
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CO posts BB OOP, 4 folds, MP3 calls $2, CO checks, BTN calls $2, Hero raises to $14, BB folds, MP3 calls $12, 2 folds

Flop: ($35) 4
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6
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A
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $17.50, Hero calls $17.50

Turn: ($70) J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $18, Hero raises to $45, MP3 calls $27

River: ($160) A
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(2 players)
Hero bets $80, MP3 raises to $152.89 and is all-in, Hero calls $43.50 and is all-in

Results: $407 pot ($4 rake)
Final Board: 4
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6
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A
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J
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A
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Hero showed J
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A
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and won $201.50 ($1.50 net)
MP3 showed A
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J
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and won $201.50 ($1.50 net)

HAND #2 (Anyone have any advice for this hand? Usually I'd fold J9o preflop, but this was our first BvB encounter and I felt he was trying to abuse my blind)

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SB: $480.81 (240.4 bb)
Hero (BB): $211.08 (105.5 bb)
MP1: $194.67 (97.3 bb)
MP2: $125.75 (62.9 bb)
MP3: $521.09 (260.5 bb)
CO: $72.16 (36.1 bb)
BTN: $199.38 (99.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J
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9
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5 folds, SB raises to $6, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($12) Q
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8
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J
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(2 players)
SB bets $9, Hero raises to $27, SB raises to $76.50, Hero folds

Results: $66 pot ($3.66 rake)
Final Board: Q
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8
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J
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SB mucked and won $62.34 ($29.34 net)
Hero mucked J
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9
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and lost (-$33 net)

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:( <--- my face when he bet 3/4 the pot and then raised my IP raise for almost 3x my raise. WTF could villain have in this spot? T9? QJ? 88? FD? KK/AA?

I only had 48 hands on villain. 18 VPIP 11 PFR 7.0 Aggression 6.3 3bet ratings. Sample size is too small though for reads.

Overall I played about 100 hands. I believe I was too tight that 200 NL session, whenever I had premium hands I would get folds. I would have loosen up more, but that means more variance and I can't make too many mistakes post flops against reg 200 NL players.
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Cliff Notes: I needed a break from the headache called 10 NL, played about 100 hands of 200 NL and had a blast. I got owned by a reg in the 2nd hand posted. ~ THE END ~ (Also if anyone can give advice on Hand 2 for example: Call instead of raise or fold to the 3/4 pot C-bet I'd appreciate it :D )
 
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1st hand I just lead out, no point giving a spade draw a free card.
2nd hand obviously want to see another cheap card to improve. Looks like a really good floating spot im just calling
 
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1st hand I just lead out, no point giving a spade draw a free card.
2nd hand obviously want to see another cheap card to improve. Looks like a really good floating spot im just calling

Yeah I noticed the table liked to try and steal pots in position so in Hand #1, I just check/called the half pot size bet to make it look like I was on a draw. On the turn I check raised because villain bet SUSPICIOUSLY small (crazy villain bet so small with two pair) so I thought villain had (KJ/QJ/JT) or drawing to a flush or gut shot broadway straight (KQ). When villain only called my turn raise. I had only bet half the pot on river to try and extract value from jack combinations. Unfortunately we had the same hand. So we just leveled each other *facepalm*

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Hand #2: I agree. It was dumb for me to try and level a winning 200 NL reg player by raising into his/her 3/4 pot C-bet. I got all the information I needed tho with that 3x re-raise. I could have floated the flop with pair of jacks in position and watch villains next move on the turn.
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Overall though, I wish I had played a little more looser so that I didn't have such a tight image at the table.
 
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I'm confused. You were playing 10NL then jumped to 200NL with a bankroll of $1k? Tbh I have more of a problem with playing 10NL with 100 BI than I do with playing 200NL with 5 BI. You should be playing at least 50NL imo. You don't need anything close to 100 BI for whatever level you're playing.

Hand 1: def cbet flop, both for value and to balance your range. You would cbet with air and draws anyway in a HU pot, so you should also do it with value hands.

Hand 2: flat flop. SB's range is likely wide and you're probably ahead. No reason to fold out his air.
 
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I'm confused. You were playing 10NL then jumped to 200NL with a bankroll of $1k? Tbh I have more of a problem with playing 10NL with 100 BI than I do with playing 200NL with 5 BI. You should be playing at least 50NL imo. You don't need anything close to 100 BI for whatever level you're playing.

Hand 1: def cbet flop, both for value and to balance your range. You would cbet with air and draws anyway in a HU pot, so you should also do it with value hands.

Hand 2: flat flop. SB's range is likely wide and you're probably ahead. No reason to fold out his air.

Yeah I know it's a bit weird. I play 10 NL because I am trying to to fix leaks and try to master some basic fundamentals. The 200 NL was more of a confidence booster + adrenaline rush to take a break from the 10 NL grind. Also I could focus more and take better notes because I only had 1 200 NL table up instead of 5+ 10 NL tables.

In regards to Hand 1: I agree I should have bet for value. To charge draws and smaller Aces. I noticed several of the other players at the table were trying to exploit checks by betting IP when preflop raiser checks OOP so that was my mentality of checking.

I know it looks suspicious when I check instead of the standard C-bet. However I heard you can "balance your checking range" as well haha. Checking your air and strong hands occasionally to induce bluffs from much weaker hands. If the hand had went check/check, then I would have fired the turn and river to make my hand look like a bluff or a busted flush draw.

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Hand #2: I agree. Definitely should have just floated in position with my current equity. I had at least a pair of jacks and to raise into a 3/4 pot bet against a winning 200 NL reg was basically suicide. Lost the equivalent of 3 10 NL buyins for my dumb play. If the reg 3 bet me post flop with complete air. WELL PLAYED!
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Thanks for the replies! I most likely will not be trying 200 NL again anytime soon. It was a good experience, but I need to get back to proper BRM discipline and work on my fundamentals like bet sizing and etc.

I also admit when the reg 3 bet me in Hand #2 I had a bit of the "Scared money" syndrome where I was thinking in my head (Holy **** he just raised me almost $100 on the flop). There's no doubt we would most likely be getting it all in on the turn if I had shoved/or passively called villain's raise.
 
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Both hand are well played, I think
 
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I think I am just calling on the second hand when he leads.

I don't want to get raised by a better hand, and I want to see if I can hit my draw cheap and bust him. 9 outs + backdoor flush, and you're most likely behind on this flop with his raise pre. I want to evaluate turn and see where I am at.

First hand was played perfect.

and +1 for shot taking! Love it!
 
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