River bet too small here?

TheNoob

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With this hand I probably needed a few more limpers to justify the call from the SB, but the table is a bit tight.

I am wary of the weak ace, and I thought with my bet on the river I was screaming "I have a weak ace!", and I could have been shoved off the hand with any aggression at all.

Also, checking the flop a mistake?




Stacks:
* MP1 with $27.45
* MP2 with $12.80
* MP3 with $43.30
* CO with $5.15
* BTN with $4.65
* SB with $32.00
* BB with $25.15
* UTG with $9.70
* UTG+1 with $8.35

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: full tilt poker
* * Dealt to SB:9♦ A♣
* * Sklansky group 8
Preflop:
* * 3 players fold.
* * MP2 calls [$0.25]
* * 3 players fold.
* * Hero calls [$0.15]
* * BB checks
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $0.75
Flop:
* * A♠ 7♥ 6♥
* * Hero checks
* * BB checks
* * MP2 bets [$0.25]
* * Hero raises to $0.75
* * 1 players fold.
* * MP2 calls [$0.50]
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: $2.25
Turn:
* * 2♥
* * Hero bets [$1.50]
* * MP2 calls [$1.50]
* * Potsize: $5.25
River:
* * 4♣
* * Hero bets [$2]
* * 1 players fold.
Uncalled bet of $2 returned to Hero Hero wins the pot ($5)
* * Total folds this street: 1

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c9h13no3

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Betting the river there is pretty terrible. Betting the turn ain't so great either.

Limping the SB is bad, your raise on the flop is small, pretty much I don't like any action in the hand. Sorry :(

So um, lets start at the beginning:

1) You're spewing reverse implied odds with a hand that's really only going to make top pair. If the table is tight, raise this, but there's no excuse for playing a hand that is unlikely to hit a flop well out of position with no initiative. Do you really want to limp A9 and spew off a bunch of money to set mining tight players when you flop your ace (since that's really the only thing tight players limp with, small pairs)?

2) Just lead the flop. Check/raising makes a large pot where you want one, and its possible they could check back weak draws & middle pairs that hit on the turn. Lead the flop for like 50c.

3) Leading the turn again isn't bad. If its a tight table as you say, then check/calling is by far the best line. But since its 10$ NL and its probably not a tight table, leading for that size a bet is fine.

4) Check/call the river every time! A8 is the best hand that you beat, and he's probably not calling another bet with that. Draws make up a huge part of his range. By checking, you allow him to bluff those busted draws. You cannot get 3 streets of value from this hand (yet another reason not to limp it in the first place). Betting this river is a big leak IMO.
 
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c9h13no3 said:
4) Check/call the river every time! A8 is the best hand that you beat, and he's probably not calling another bet with that. Draws make up a huge part of his range. By checking, you allow him to bluff those busted draws. You cannot get 3 streets of value from this hand (yet another reason not to limp it in the first place). Betting this river is a big leak IMO.
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I don't really like check/calling on the river. There's not a whole lot that he could be bluffing with. The flush got there. There's only one straight draw that missed. And it's very unlikely he's going to value bet a weaker ace when he can just check and showdown for free. If the villain is tight, we're almost definitely behind, so we should check/fold, and if he's loose, we should make a small-medium value bet (for weaker aces).
 
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c9h13no3 said:
Betting the river there is pretty terrible. Betting the turn ain't so great either.

Limping the SB is bad, your raise on the flop is small, pretty much I don't like any action in the hand. Sorry :(

So um, lets start at the beginning:

1) You're spewing reverse implied odds with a hand that's really only going to make top pair. If the table is tight, raise this, but there's no excuse for playing a hand that is unlikely to hit a flop well out of position with no initiative. Do you really want to limp A9 and spew off a bunch of money to set mining tight players when you flop your ace (since that's really the only thing tight players limp with, small pairs)?

2) Just lead the flop. Check/raising makes a large pot where you want one, and its possible they could check back weak draws & middle pairs that hit on the turn. Lead the flop for like 50c.

3) Leading the turn again isn't bad. If its a tight table as you say, then check/calling is by far the best line. But since its 10$ NL and its probably not a tight table, leading for that size a bet is fine.

4) Check/call the river every time! A8 is the best hand that you beat, and he's probably not calling another bet with that. Draws make up a huge part of his range. By checking, you allow him to bluff those busted draws. You cannot get 3 streets of value from this hand (yet another reason not to limp it in the first place). Betting this river is a big leak IMO.
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Nah, don't be sorry. This is why I posted the hand ...... it was one of those that I didn't feel comfortable with my play from beginning to end.

Your suggestions make sense anyway (that is to the extent that I can put the whole picture together. Some of you guys are like mad scientists, you're so capable of putting all these factors together on a street by street basis and seeing all the scenarios at the same time).

It's common that I'm really not sure if I should be and how much to be betting.

Some of these difficult decisions may just be proof that it's a hand I should ususally not be in anyway.

Thanks for all the feedback.
 
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