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Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 620 BB (VPIP: 19.23, PFR: 1.92, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 104)
Hero (CO): 120.25 BB
BTN: 91 BB (VPIP: 45.45, PFR: 9.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
SB: 34.25 BB (VPIP: 22.69, PFR: 3.72, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 216)
BB: 126.75 BB (VPIP: 24.09, PFR: 10.95, 3Bet Preflop: 2.38, Hands: 138)
UTG: 109 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
UTG+1: 56.75 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 3.75 BB, BTN calls 3.75 BB, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 2.75 BB

Flop: (12.75 BB, 3 players) 2 8 J
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets 10 BB, BTN calls 10 BB, fold

Turn: (32.75 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero bets 25 BB, BTN raises to 77.25 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 52.25 BB

River: (187.25 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero shows K J (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 59%, Flop 49%, Turn 16%)
BTN shows 7 8 (Two Pair, Eights and Sevens) (Pre 41%, Flop 51%, Turn 84%)
BTN wins 177 BB

I feel like the cbet was a good bet, but what was i supposed to do on the turn? Any thoughts?? thanks.
 
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The seven is a pretty bad card for you. T9 makes a straight, J7, 87 make two pair. You also got baluga'd of sorts, so this could be a slowplayed set, flopped two pair, or even AJ. Fold to the turn raise.

The rest looks fine to me.
 
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This is a hand which is hard to dodge and is pretty expensive for every1 who think top pair is good. Maybe 98% of players wont fold this on any bet. This guy had flush draw and this made him stay in the hand. It`s tough.
 
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tbh I think KJ is a terrible hand to begin with in pre-flop stage. But I think this was an unlucky hand.. and if i'd played it i would have probably done the same.

If i were you.. I'd have called the hand pre-flop.. then raised 5BB on flop (since there is a flush draw).. then raised 10BB on the turn (chances of a flush are now lower/try and make him fold).. and when the other guy went all-in..

I'd have folded on the turn raise.. since we only have a top pair.. and the board has a flush draw/ if opponent has 9T he could have a straight.. or if the river has Q/K/A and he has one of those he'd win easily.

If i had two pair.. or the pair would have been of KK or AA instead.. i'd have called his all-in for sure.

I wouldn't have risked that much only on a JJ top pair with K kicker.
 
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fold the turn, the rest is pretty much fine. I see that villain is a little bit of a fish which might of influenced you in making this call but i think unless we've seen him stack off with worse than top pair we've gotta fold.
 
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Fold the turn... obvious you are behind after this re raise on the turn and you could be even much behind with this play from the villain...
 
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I don't see how calling this all-in is anywhere near the right move? Everything pre-flop pretty standard. Flop, nice continuation bet. That turn though, you bet what is that 3/4 of the pot bet? Then he pushes all-in. That is clear sign that he just beat you on that turn. That should of been an easy fold for you. At cash table it is very rare your TP is gonna be good against an all-in. Let alone you didnt even have TPTK.
 
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Ok that makes sense yea that push should of made me think more, instead i just instacalled :(
 
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Ok that makes sense yea that push should of made me think more, instead i just instacalled :(

don't worry, just try and make the best decision possible next time :D
 
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Ok that makes sense yea that push should of made me think more, instead i just instacalled :(
You know what I do a lot of times from making those instacalls without thinking. First use all that time to youre advantage if you need to. 2nd. Before just instacalling...take some seconds to reevaluate the hand now. Like once he pushed all-in before instacalling you should of been going through your head...what could he have that could beat me...and what would he be pushing with here? A nice rule I like to adhere by...atleast count to 3...1...2....3. while thinking about it before just snap-calling...unless you have the nuts then snap-call or slowroll like a dick :p
 
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You played it fine until the all in call. Very rarely will tp be ahead here. There are not many hands in villains range that you can realistically beat. An all in on a just a flush draw here is not likely, and if they were to gamble that much on purely a draw, they probably would have shoved on the flop. The 7 completes two pair and a straight for his range, and there is potential they slow played a set. You need to have the discipline to fold the turn and move on from the hand.
 
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i can only echo the comments here , by the time the turn is dealt and villain raised you had to be putting on a flush draw at least that had either connected or hed hit something bigger than TPGK ,this type of hand would hit me a lot and i hated folding after investing in it financially and a little emotionally lol ,id just look at it as a lesson that was cheap for you and that maybe TPGK is hand you dont wanna be calling shoves with , good luck
 
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