OK I gotta respond to this one....
Originally Posted by Zorba
I have seen a few of your posts before and it seems to me that you dont mind a gamble,
Do you dispute the fact that a tight player 3-betting this hard is almost always a hand that either beats us badly (KK/AA) or we are flipping with (AK)? Do you want to call on the hopes he is simply bluffing you?
If you want to call this and "gamble" be my guest but I only want to "gamble" when I'm a strong favorite. Which isn't so much gambling anyway is it? I define gambling as something predominately or exclusively based on chance.
Poker tracker stats dont mean much to me, and as Rob said, "Why is everybody so reliant on Pokertracker stats nowadays? What's wrong with a fair battle of wits against an opponent?"
To me this sounds like someone who has never used PT. It's an incredibly powerful tool, and I would argue it is pretty much essential to doing extremely well online. You can do well without it sure, but take someone who does well without it, teach them to use PT and they will do better.
so I say call and see the flop then react,
OK this is the statement that really gets me here. Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm reading this and all I'm hearing is "I have QQ!! That's a great hand! I HAVE to see a flop with this".
Yes QQ is a very strong hand preflop. But it is pretty much no better than 22 if we are convinced our opponent holds AA/KK.
Here is what I do not hear in this last quoted part. I don't hear a plan for the hand. You say "call and see what happens". That's not a plan and not a reason to call. If you call, the pot will be $73.50 and villain has $59.15 behind. He can and frequently will shove the flop regardless of what he has or what the flop is
. What villain has done here is make a commitment bet. He is threatening his entire stack without putting it all in the middle. If you call this you are going to be very hard pressed to justify folding on just about any flop because of pot size and odds you will get.
If the flop comes all low cards, are you going to call his all in and "see if he actually has it?". What if there is an A or K?
What if you flop 3 to a flush with one of your queens? Are you willing to call hoping he doesn't have the A and/or K of that suit?
Are you calling and planning to toss it to any c-bets he makes without spiking your set? If that's your plan then frankly it really sucks because you are set mining a 3 bet pot with QQ and without getting even remotely close to the needed odds to do so. If this is your plan even if you spike your Q
congratulations, you made a giant mistake and will be losing money long term.