QQ 4-bet flatted, over on flop [200nl FR]

Villain is 42/21, 25% 3-bet over 50 hands. Basically huge fish who I am fist-pump getting QQ in against PF here. Maybe I should have just 4-bet shoved here.

poker stars, $1/$2 PL Hold'em Cash Game, 9 Players

CO: $201.05 (100.5 bb)
BTN: $420.20 (210.1 bb)
SB: $174.65 (87.3 bb)
BB: $208.40 (104.2 bb)
UTG: $129.85 (64.9 bb)
UTG+1: $211.05 (105.5 bb)
MP1: $200 (100 bb)
Hero (MP2): $204.55 (102.3 bb)
MP3: $268.35 (134.2 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP2 with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, MP3 calls $6, 2 folds, SB raises to $24, BB folds, Hero raises to $78, MP3 folds, SB calls $54

Flop: ($164) J 8 K (2 players)

Before he acts, what is our plan? If he checks to us do we bet? What about when he does this?

SB bets $96.65 and is all-in

Nasty. 3-bet% over 50 hands is kind of irrelevant i assume, so i'm not quite sure how much we can deviate from a standard JJ+,AK range here, and you're toast against that range.

On the other hand you're getting decent pot odds. You need 27% equity to make the call. And you get there as soon as you add TT to that range.

Hand 0: 28.372% 26.83% 01.54% 8235 472.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 71.628% 70.09% 01.54% 21510 472.50 { TT+, AKs, AKo }

There is certainly a type of fish in the poker seas that does this kind of funny things with flopped underpairs. It's mostly a question of how you read him.

I snap call this. This will be air, a draw, a J, an underpair as well as a K some of the time. I give the donk shove from fish almost no credit at all. And you'd be amazed what kinda garbage really bad players will call 4Bs with.

That said, this is FR and i have no clue what goes on at FR anymore. But i'd never ever fold this vs somebody i think is a bit of a spaz.

BelgoSuisse said:

3-bet% over 50 hands is kind of irrelevant i assume

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Not when it's that high. If it were 7% I agree, but although the number could be off and it could be only 20% (or 30%), 25% 3-bet over 50 hands is enough to establish that he 3-bets pretty wide.

BelgoSuisse said:

so i'm not quite sure how much we can deviate from a standard JJ+,AK range here, and you're toast against that range.

On the other hand you're getting decent pot odds. You need 27% equity to make the call. And you get there as soon as you add TT to that range.

Hand 0: 28.372% 26.83% 01.54% 8235 472.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 71.628% 70.09% 01.54% 21510 472.50 { TT+, AKs, AKo }

There is certainly a type of fish in the poker seas that does this kind of funny things with flopped underpairs. It's mostly a question of how you read him.

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No reads other than he's a huge fish and as I said I'm confident I'm crushing his range preflop. The question is does he shove AA here? AK? TT? AQs? I think there's a possibility the shove takes monsters out and is only marginal hands and there's a possibility it's the other way around.

zachvac said:

Not when it's that high. If it were 7% I agree, but although the number could be off and it could be only 20% (or 30%), 25% 3-bet over 50 hands is enough to establish that he 3-bets pretty wide.

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But how many opportunites to 3bet did he have over 50 hands? It needs to get raised to him for that. If 25% is 2 out of 8 opportunities, it means nothing.