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This is a 1c/2c online micro stake cash game playing 6 handed
No reads on villian but hes raised every pot for past 10 hands

Effective stack is $2.00

Action starts with
MP limp
Hijack min raise to 4c
Hero (2.00) in CO: QsQh raises raise to 16c
Villain (5.32) on bb calls
MP fold
Hijack calls

Flop: AsKs4h
Pot: 50c

Hijack Checks
Hero (1.84) continues for 32c
Villain (4.86) calls
Hijack folds

Turn: AsKs4h5s

Hero (1.52): checks
Villain: bets 56c
Hero: Calls

River: 9h
Villain shoves
Hero (.96) Folds

Kinda wrote this off memory so the details it might be a bit off but i was wondering what the optimal line for this hand is.
 
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What's confusing is his pre flop raise to just 4c?? What kind of hand would he only raise to 4c. Maybe trying to disguise a big hand like AK, might explain why he checked it to you on the flop and just called on both the flop and turn. I think you was probably okay folding here but maybe you should of just checked behind him on the flop then see what he does on the turn.
 
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What's confusing is his pre flop raise to just 4c?? What kind of hand would he only raise to 4c.
Not the villain in this hand. ;)


Villain had been raising almost 100% preflop, but how many times have you seen him fold? If that's close to 0%, then I'm not a huge fan of the c-bet. I'd actually be inclined to just check/fold that flop.

As played, turn call is rather thin. You need to be sure he's betting the river again if another spade falls, or he's calling a big bet. With a four-flush on the board, that's not so likely, imo. You certainly don't have the pot odds to continue, and I don't think you have the implied odds either.
 
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I think you should control the pot at some point this hand, but I would go to the showdown anyway because QQ has great value in these cases.
 
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Depends a lot on villain's tendencies, but with an A and a K on the board, I would fold.
 
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I think if we dont get the set after being aggressive pre flop with QQ, we must be fold if presented A or K, but if they fall two cards on the flop, the value of QQis absolutely marginal, against a player who does not qualifies as "lose maniac" we must resign.

It's hard to leave QQ, but is profitable, in such boards, at a more or less strong bet, bluff rarely find , usually are value bets and protection bets, hands like AJ suited or better
 
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I would fold, its so sad when you get queens ,and the flop shows ace and king.

I would play more carfull
 
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Not the villain in this hand. ;)


Villain had been raising almost 100% preflop, but how many times have you seen him fold? If that's close to 0%, then I'm not a huge fan of the c-bet. I'd actually be inclined to just check/fold that flop.

As played, turn call is rather thin. You need to be sure he's betting the river again if another spade falls, or he's calling a big bet. With a four-flush on the board, that's not so likely, imo. You certainly don't have the pot odds to continue, and I don't think you have the implied odds either.

All good points.
 
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it sounds like the type of guy to have at the table... I see this a lot at the micro-level.. people can just be downright incredible with some of their over plays and bluffing
 
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Interesting hand. I would fold the turn. He has all the flushes in his range, J10, all the lower flushes, while you conceivably only have QJ in yours since AsKs is already on the flop.

Unless you think (i.e. unless you've seen him) try to bluff people off extremely strong hands - in this case, you could easily have AA/KK/AK since you 3bet preflop, bet flop, called turn), this would be an extremely ambitious bluff. We don't know enough about him, so in the absence of history, you just fold these spots.

The optimal line is to check back the flop (because of lack of history) then either call down on non-flush runouts or fold to the leadout on the turn. Or bet the turn if checked to by both players twice, then call any river bet if he leads. From what you're saying, his range is wide enough for this to be a call, but the problem is that if he understands the range you're representing, then this bluff would be suicidal. We don't know yet... my default is to check flop, fold turn. Wait till I see him win or lose at showdown, then we can start making money off him.
 
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In pre-flop it's ok.
When came this flop i don't c-bet.
You has value to showdown.
When you bet on the flop, you are turning your hand (QQ) on bluff, you are trying to extract?
You don't know if he has a Ax, it's possible... or Kx.
I would just flat call on big, with AQ, AJ, AT, A9s, KQ, KJ, some kinding of suited connectors.
So if you will not extract value for any hand, and you are losing to all others that will pay your bet, i just check the flop, see his action in turn, if he check agains than I bet.
If he bet on turn, I will avaible the size of bet, maybe call or maybe just fold there.
You save much money that way.
 
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I agree with above. I don't like the C-bet.

It's the classic either you're way behind or way ahead by betting that flop. Betting that flop is basically lighting your money on fire.
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As played river is definitely a fold.
 
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I wouldn't even consider betting the turn. Your percieved range is AA, KK, QQ, AK.
Since villain didn't 4bet you it's less likely (although still possible) that he has AA. Means AK is his most likely hand and KK is close behind. Other hands in his range are often small pockets and suited connectors trying to bust a big pair that may not fold to a rag board. So when AK hits the board, it's in your range slightly more often than villain's which means you should bet your QQ and hey, sometimes AJ and AQ will fold right there fearing AK, AA, or KK.

If villain flats you on a board like that with the original better still behind, knowing the type of hands you are likely holding, I'd shut it down after your one stab on the flop. You can pretty much bet the house that villain has either AK, KK, or spade connectors.
Villain has to know you could have AA, KK, or AK, unless he himself is holding one of KK ,AK, or two spades like 98sSomehow is ready to rumble. This screams, AK, KK, or something like 98s

Your turn bet is not profitable long term. Too often if villain is flatting a raise with board texture like that and a decent sized 3bet preflop your QQs are toast when the spade hits the turn. Basically 100% of his range on the turn is now crushing you.

I do, however, still like your raise on the flop because so much of your range smashed that flop. You might even get AJ to fold right there with that bet. If AJ made it to the flop.

JMHO
 
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I think flop check call turn fold
 
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An interesting hand that I've been seeing way too often recently it seems. Personally, I disagree with the continuation bet because of the size of your raise that opponents called makes it very likely to have an overpair. I'd just check and see how they react
 
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Since there was a 3 bet pre flop and the flop came over A and K. You should have most likely ran on the flop saving yourself some chips. No need to get pot committed giving away free chips.
 
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I do not like this situation I find it easier to throw than to go to showdown
 
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Check folding the flop isn't a bad play either in a 3-way pot that was 3 bet preflop with a board like that.

Check - Fold and Bet - Fold are the only plays you can make in that spot. Since it is 3-way, check fold seems like the slightly better move here, but the C-bet is only a marginally bad play as well.

If it were heads up, you should c-bet that board 100% of the time with QQ after you 3bet preflop. Especially if that's what you normally do with AA, AK, and KK in that same spot with a flush on board.

I think a good % of the time Villain will have small pockets, suited connectors, or AJ.. All of which will fold to your flop bet.

Since you aren't betting for value on that flop, I'd go 60-70% of the pot with a C-bet or just check fold.
 
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I'm not a fan of pocket pairs if there are two overs on any board.... Maybe I'm just being too tight of a player? I just don't think people would be betting against me if they believed that I may have those same over-pairs that they are betting to have. I normally just pay the preflop fees to see if I hit a set or if there is only 1 or less over left on the board.
 
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It cant be a bluff, so you had to fold it on tge tur because pot was already and all you had was pair of queens with two overcards and a flush on tge board
 
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Control the pot and fold when it's undercontrol
 
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bet flop and chek fold on the turn
 
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That's a chech fold for me. Unless you have some sort of read. Be lucky from bonnie Scotland
 
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We raise the flop... we can end Kx hands that beat us and we rep a strong range. We don't end the hand there we give up.

Just fold turn... we had our shot at the flop to end the hand no biggie.
 
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