PS SNG Set vs. All-In

Been reading for a few days, thought I'd throw in one of my own. This is a $1.00+$0.20 PS SNG. I'm new to the game, but would like your some of your thoughts on this one. Will post the rest of the hand by Monday. TIA

Seat 2: cotter666 (975 in chips)
Seat 3: AdrianaL (4900 in chips)
Seat 5: insolitude (5035 in chips)
Seat 8: Cker (2590 in chips)
insolitude: posts small blind 75
Cker: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [9d 3d]
cotter666: folds
AdrianaL: calls 150
insolitude: calls 75
Cker: checks
*** FLOP *** [9s 9h Jc]
insolitude: checks
Cker: bets 450
AdrianaL: raises 1650 to 2100
insolitude: ?

Welcome to CC (keep reading).

1st you have trips (single hole card that matches pair on board), not a set (pocket pair that matches single card on board). Semantics but the difference is huge. Sets are very strong hands and trips are at least slightly weaker (because more than one person can have it). End set/trips rant.

2nd You really shouldn't be in the hand to begin with. Calling with 93 from the sb is really bad and will cost you a lot of chips over the long run (and maybe in this hand). Got to learn to throw this trash away pre flop.

Now on to your decision here. Push. You played the hand. You hit the hand just about as hard as you can. If you're not going to play it now you're making a mistake. There are only 2 hands you're behind right now, and you're likely way ahead here. Does your opponent limp with JJ? Not likely. So that means you're only behind to the case 9 (not very likely). The thing that really sucks here is that he is the only stack at the table that can really cripple you if he has the 9 (he's also the only one who can basically double you up when he doesn't).

Thanks. Good to have the set/trips thing cleared up.

I actually have been working on playing a tighter game. Tonight (same night as this hand) I am at 29% seeing the flop. I figured I could afford to call this one. We'll find out soon enough how it turned out.

Fold pre flop, just because your in the small blind and your cards are suited, that doesnt mean they arent junk hands.

On the flop i think id fold because the bb could easily have been leading out with a 9 and the other guy has re raised seeming to be unafraid of hte 9. I imagine he would only re raise with another 9 that beats you by a long way, or with jacks full. A lot of people will tell you to call but i think its too risky

"If its good enough to call with, its good enough to raise with" - Doyle Brunson

93 suited is all-round weak unless you feel REALLY lucky being the big stack and were ahead by a couple grand, then can afford to lose chips and a raise preflop probably would have been better than limping in.

P.S. Don't raise with 93suited...It's the 5th worst starting hand in No Limit Holdem. But then again, Dolly won his Main Events with the 6th. But heads up is a different story.

Yup it's an insta fold preflop for me. Presuming it's a 9 man SnG and one for the money you should never of played the hand with the chip lead. Why get involved with thrash? As to tightening up? 29% means you still have alot of work to do if that's your goal. LOL
As to the hand what's likely? First you have zero kicker. So the other 9 has you crushed. But splits are possible of course. But I'd figure one of the two has a big draw. ie the obvious potential straight draw. But that's likely the 450, not the reraiser. Reraising into a potential made boat on a straight draw is suicide over time on the felt.
Notice how the shortie at the table isn't in the hand. The 450 bet comes from a player who is pot commited if they call the reraise behind you. That means you have a potential total cost of almost 3000 chips in this hand. That button limp could be J 9. Could even be JJ played really poorly preflop. Perhaps not wanting to go to war with the big stack(ie you) preflop and play ultra conservative without a monster post flop. The other possible option has the BB with an overpair looking to trap postflop and finding out that he's looking at a paired board! You could still be ahead here with the initial postflop bettor being that straight draw and the reraise being an overpair. But you have nothing invested but 1 BB. I'd actually fold trips(haha no critacism of me! not a set! weeeeeeee........) on strategy alone as the big stack. But I would have never played the hand preflop in the first place. Shorties loving all the action pre ITM IMHO!

As played, I would fold this hand. I think it is too likely that raiser played A9s, 9Ts, and maybe K9s from position. I think you're out-kicked here and have to lay down. Unless you have a great read on AdrianaL, and know he/she is very likely to over-bet into a scary board? But working with the information given, I fold.

It's actually very unlikely that the other 9 is in play (~10%) so folding here is making our second mistake of the hand. I push and pray everyone folds so no one gets to see how big a donk I was for playing 93 suited.

WVHillbilly said:

It's actually very unlikely that the other 9 is in play (~10%) so folding here is making our second mistake of the hand. I push and pray everyone folds so no one gets to see how big a donk I was for playing 93 suited.

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In a vacuum it's ten percent, but in this situation where someone has gone over the top for about half their stack, I have to think the percentage is much higher like 30 to 40%?. You know what I'm saying?

I do but I know 100% that I have it so I'll still push. Could be KJ or even a horribly played big pair.

Seeing 29% of flops does not qualify as playing tight by the way. Welcome to the forum & good luck. Glad to have you with us.

WVHillbilly said:

I do but I know 100% that I have it so I'll still push. Could be KJ or even a horribly played big pair.

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Good point.

ok i dont see nothing wrong with u calling from sb with that chip stack and a chance of hitting something big. By the looks of it, only way u can be beat is if someone has 9 higher kicker. I would personally just push all in, since its only 1$ and at this level they play wicked bad.

Thanks everyone for the thoughts. I've been playing at PS for some time, but am very new to real $. I know, micro is hardly "real $" -- but I take it seriously and feel like I'm learning a ton.

I know "tight" is more like 20%...but 29% is a LOT better than where I started.

As far as playing this junk hand, I felt like the 75 was a very small price to pay to see a flop and see if I got lucky. We're not talking about trying to get lucky against 6+ other players. So the flop comes and I figure I've got a monster hand.

Okay, now for the rest of the hand.

insolitude: raises 2785 to 4885 and is all-in
Cker: folds
AdrianaL: calls 2650 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [9s 9h Jc] [6s]
*** RIVER *** [9s 9h Jc 6s] [4h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
insolitude: shows [9d 3d] (three of a kind, Nines)
AdrianaL: shows [Jh 9c] (a full house, Nines full of Jacks)
AdrianaL collected 10400 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10400 | Rake 0
Board [9s 9h Jc 6s 4h]
Seat 2: cotter666 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: AdrianaL (button) showed [Jh 9c] and won (10400) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
Seat 5: insolitude (small blind) showed [9d 3d] and lost with three of a kind, Nines
Seat 8: Cker (big blind) folded on the Flop

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Now I figured AdrianaL for Jx. Definitely not JJ, and almost certainly not J9. But in the end I had almost nothing invested in this pot and could have (should have) easily folded after the flop if for NO OTHER REASON than the fact that I was close to ITM.

To those of you who say I never should have called this hand in the first place, are you suggesting I should NEVER play this hand (except perhaps in short-stacked h2h)?

Finally, as to the issue of player profiling. I am just learning about this and really don't have any real read on any players. Partly because I multi-table to combat boredom. And I have been wondering how reliable player profiling is at this level anyway. These $1 SNG's often have so many players going all-in it's crazy.

Thanks again everyone.

I would say the only time you should be playing 93 is when you are in the BB and you can check.

I know "tight" is more like 20%...but 29% is a LOT better than where I started.

Tight is actually more like 10-15%

Unlucky that he has the case 9 but if you had folded preflop it wouldn't have mattered. The next time you decide to maybe see a flop for 1/2 price with utter trash, think back to this hand and remember how much these hands can cost you. Learn from your mistake here and resolve to play better next time.

Good luck.