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Count the mistakes I made here. SB is Semi-Loose/Agg, BB has been at the table for 7 hands and has seen 7 flops.

pokerstars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7s, Ac.
3 folds, Hero calls, 1 fold, SB raises, BB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 6s, As, 4s (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 9c (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero calls, SB folds.

River: (8 BB) 5h (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB
 
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i think the first mistake is to call a raise with A 7 offsuit ....
 
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I make that the second mistake I made. :)
 
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Wouldn't have called the raise myself either. Probably wouldn't have raised post flop either with 3 spades on the board. Would have certainly bailed on the turn. This is just me and ace-rag is a hand I just rarely play unless it's suited and I'm in position...
 
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I would have raised after the river. Did you win? What happened? :confused:
 
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I typed a huge reply to this and for some reason I can't post it...I keep getting an "invalid link specified" message.

Well since you're playing short handed, you can usually loosen up your starting hand requirements just a bit, however, you're playing at a table where there are obviously a few very loose and or loose/aggressive players thus negating the loosening of the hand requirements in my opinion. When facing a LAG table you have to tighten-up more than normal and wait for your premium hands.
Pre-Flop
In my estimation here are mistakes number one and two. One is being in the hand to begin with against a LAG table. The second was calling the raise behind you and subsequent call. While you don't have a terrible starting hand under some circumstances, here it isn't so good.
Post-Flop
Here is mistake number three. You hit the flop but why bet here when there is a possible Flush already made. Since you're already in this hand, a check behind the small blind and a fold to a raise would probably be a better move.
Turn
Mistake number four, in my opinion, is calling the bet here from the BB.
River
Mistake five, calling another bet on the river with possible made straight and flush hands out there. A pair of aces on this board in a TAG game would be a decent hand but against loose players who are likely to have anything, the possibility of being up against a made Flush after the flop or a rivered Straight has to be considered. Total mistake count in my estimation is 5.

So, were your Aces good?
 
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I totally agree with IrishDave on this hand. This type of hand has happened to me several times,it doesn't take me long to fold it right quick.
 
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No doubt that was one mistake but as DM said, he considered that his second mistake. When taking that into consideration, he must have perceived a error in his play before he even called this pre-flop raise. The only thing I can see that being would be his not playing a short-handed game with LAG opponents with the proper starting hand requirements and not taking into consideration the fact that 2 of the players that are particularly loose/aggressive were going to act after him pre-flop. Meaning, although during a short-handed game you have the luxury of loosening your starting-hand requirements up just a little, this is counteracted when you're at a table with loose/aggressive players and you must always use information you have about opponents that will act behind you to factor into your decision on whether or not to call.

Normally in a short-handed game, when you're in the cutoff position and the action is folded to you, you can bring in a hand like A-7o. However, when considering the actions of the players left to act after Dorkas, he should have folded this hand. Had these two players been TAG players, he could have made the same play and actually used subsequent action and streets to glean information about his opponents hands.
 
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Dorkus,

Is this actually a real hand you played in or are you just making this up as an example.
 
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It's a real hand from last night. I was playing pretty terribly, no idea why. Still broke even mainly thanks to flopping two pair and straights from the BB in unraised pots (gotta love that).

Anyway, here are the mistakes I thought I made.

- Limping preflop. In the cutoff with Ax and folded around is an obvious raise/fold situation.

- Calling the raise preflop. Yes it's a LAGgy table, but that's no reason to call raises with junk, especially an SB raise.

- Calling the river. I didn't improve my hand, and BB has been betting through, obviously not caring about my flop raise. I have good pot odds, but am beating nothing but a total bluff, which is unlikely.

I don't mind the flop raise, as it lets me know if anyone has made a flush, or if SB has something like AKs. There's no reraise, so I'm more confident (but still quite unsure) that if I make a flush it will be good, as this LAGgy table doesn't know the meaning of the word slowplay. :)

BB turned up A6 for a flopped 2 pair, and I reckon SB had something like QQ/JJ.
 
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hmm i was writing a response, then noticed this is limit?

mistake 1, playing limit with loose players.
mistake 2, if you want to play the hand, you should have re-raised him pre-flop if you have been playing tight... if u havent, then... i guess thecall works, but i dont believe in calls in limit. either you're raising or you're folding.

bb bets, you raise, not a mistake if you ask me. You're either foldin or raising. a call would be pointless. His call shows his weakness.

My guess right now is they're both on a flush draw, king high most likely, possibly the nut flush, but i dont think so.

mistake 3, not raising on the turn. RAISE.
BB threw a bet out there to see if he could get any folds.
river : if you ain't foldin, you's raising.

you should have played that flush for all it's worth.
sense weakness, demand fear and respect.
 
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