Post CC Razz Hands here from 18 Oct on Stars

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I'll provide analysis for any hands members want me to discuss.

Good outing imo. Hope even more folks show up next time.
 

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oct 18 ? thats today :) I guess I missed a razz ring game , I'm in on the next one :)
 
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May do another one Wednesday night this week. Won't be available the next 2 weekends.
 
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pokerstars Game #21295164456: Razz Limit ($0.04/$0.08) - 2008/10/18 12:20:00 ET
Table 'Monachia V' 8-max
Seat 2: dj13 ($1.55 in chips)
Seat 3: D'wilius ($1.29 in chips)
Seat 4: Barnfather ($1.52 in chips)
Seat 5: BabyHumvee ($2.47 in chips)
Seat 6: pkrmaster199 ($2.23 in chips)
Seat 7: mparker876 ($2.23 in chips)
Seat 8: shyguy51979 ($0.34 in chips)
table posts ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to dj13 [9s]
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c]
Dealt to Barnfather [3s]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h]
Dealt to pkrmaster199 [Qc]
Dealt to mparker876 [Qd]
Dealt to shyguy51979 [Th]
mparker876: brings in for $0.02
shyguy51979: folds
dj13: calls $0.02
D'wilius: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Barnfather: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $0.04 to $0.08
pkrmaster199: folds
mparker876: folds
dj13: folds
D'wilius: calls $0.04
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c] [Tc]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h] [Ts]
BabyHumvee: bets $0.04
D'wilius: calls $0.04
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c Tc] [As]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h Ts] [8s]
D'wilius: bets $0.08
BabyHumvee: calls $0.08
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c Tc As] [9c]
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h Ts 8s] [5s]
BabyHumvee: bets $0.08

Alright, you haven't been playing many hands, so when you reraise my 7 starting hand I give you credit for 7 or better, is that a mistake?
If not, you likely have a made eight but I guess I have to assume you would bet the better board even with a paired five, giving you 4 to an 8 while I'm representing 4 to a 7?
When you bet, what to do on the river, call with a brick or an 8, raise with 2,3, what about a 6? Do I ever get checked to on the river, if so which cards do I bet then?
 
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Looking over the hand now, if I put you on a 6 or better starting hand that's 16 cards to fill two hole cards, only two of which are fives...so its only ~25% chance for one of your hole cards to be a 5. Even if you are paired you have ~1/3 chance to improve over a 9, so that's 80%+ my hand would be no good on a brick, but with the pot odds I still have to call on the end...but only if you would bet a T. I hope you don't think about this while playing :D
 
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damn , that much thinking in razz too :) it's just the five shittest cards , how hard is that , I do it in holdem everyday :)
in limit you have to be getting great pot odds on the river , but not sure of proper procedure yet either , will await the answer to your questions .

I personally would chase four to a seven all the way down and then a grudge call with a brick 9 , but thats why I'm in here reading :)
 
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Looking over the hand now, if I put you on a 6 or better starting hand that's 16 cards to fill two hole cards, only two of which are fives...so its only ~25% chance for one of your hole cards to be a 5. Even if you are paired you have ~1/3 chance to improve over a 9, so that's 80%+ my hand would be no good on a brick, but with the pot odds I still have to call on the end...but only if you would bet a T. I hope you don't think about this while playing :D

This is also assuming he bets out OOP on sixth 100% of the time if he pairs the 5, which is unlikely. Given that he did bet, I'm sure it's significantly less than 24% that he has a 5 in the hole.
 
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PokerStars Game #21295164456: Razz Limit ($0.04/$0.08) - 2008/10/18 12:20:00 ET
Table 'Monachia V' 8-max
Seat 2: dj13 ($1.55 in chips)
Seat 3: D'wilius ($1.29 in chips)
Seat 4: Barnfather ($1.52 in chips)
Seat 5: BabyHumvee ($2.47 in chips)
Seat 6: pkrmaster199 ($2.23 in chips)
Seat 7: mparker876 ($2.23 in chips)
Seat 8: shyguy51979 ($0.34 in chips)
table posts ante $0.01
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to dj13 9♠
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c]
Dealt to Barnfather 3♠
Dealt to BabyHumvee 3♥
Dealt to pkrmaster199 Q♣
Dealt to mparker876 Q♦
Dealt to shyguy51979 [Th]
mparker876: brings in for $0.02
shyguy51979: folds
dj13: calls $0.02
D'wilius: raises $0.02 to $0.04
Barnfather: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $0.04 to $0.08 I want to shut out the 9 and get HU
pkrmaster199: folds
mparker876: folds
dj13: folds
D'wilius: calls $0.04
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c] [Tc]
Dealt to BabyHumvee 3♥ [Ts]
BabyHumvee: bets $0.04 I have 3 strong starting cards; do you?
D'wilius: calls $0.04
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c Tc] A♠
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h Ts] 8♠
D'wilius: bets $0.08
BabyHumvee: calls $0.08 I didn't pair my 8, like my draw, and perhaps you paired your ace
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to D'wilius [2h 5d 7c Tc As] 9♣
Dealt to BabyHumvee [3h Ts 8s] 5♠
BabyHumvee: bets $0.08 Maybe I paired, maybe not... I'm taking the initiative and betting anyway; if you had paired your ace, you will fold and your board makes it unlikely you will raise me so I can bluff the river or bet for value whatever the case may be

Alright, you haven't been playing many hands, so when you reraise my 7 starting hand I give you credit for 7 or better, is that a mistake? Seems reasonable -- I was playing snug
If not, you likely have a made eight but I guess I have to assume you would bet the better board even with a paired five, giving you 4 to an 8 while I'm representing 4 to a 7? Yes, as above
When you bet, what to do on the river, call with a brick or an 8, raise with 2,3, what about a 6? Do I ever get checked to on the river, if so which cards do I bet then?
Read dependent, but if I'm in your shoes, I may call with a 97 vs a possible 98 and if I improve to a 7, I may raise any river bet for value. Unlikely you will be checked to on river unless I have paired and know you will call me down.
 
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Wanna play sum Razz???;)

well unless you tell me razz is your main game not holdem than I would have to assume you play razz even worse than hold em and the answer would have to be yes :p
 
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