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Hero starts hand with about $350, sb and bb just sat down each with $300 about 10 hands prior, they seem to be friends and I think came together to casino. Bb has $292 at start of hand, sb has about $331, middle possition limpers have $600+, and less than $100


Hero has 99 on button, 3 limpers for $3 with sb and bb to act. Hero makes it $16, sb calls, bb calls, 2 mp limpers call. So 5 players to flop with $80 in pot.

Flop comes 10d 6d 9c

checks around to Hero who bets $50, sb calls $50, bb goes all in for $216 more.

Thoughts on how Hero should play from here? Fold? Call $216?, shove all in for $284?
 
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A call here is as good as going all in since we would not have a lot of chips left after that. With three nines it is an easy call here no matter what the villain has - we have to make this call here a hundred percent of the time since we have a very strong hand - we don't fold to an all in after flopping a set. ;)
 
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Shove since a call is committing your stack anyway.
 
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Hero shoves all in, sb thinks for a few moments then goes all in. Hero has set of 9's, sb Ad5d for nut flush draw, bb has 78 off for the made str8.

Turn 4c, river 3d.

Big blind wins with nut flush.

Hero is left with $19 which I shove with A9 two hands latter get 3 callers and make a full house with 9 on the flop and running Aces.

leave table when blind comes back to me with $73 bucks and call it a day
 
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Hero is left with $19 which I shove with

Sorry if this sounds rude but - why not reload? If you are playing with decent BRM you should always be playing with a full stack.
 
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Sorry if this sounds rude but - why not reload? If you are playing with decent BRM you should always be playing with a full stack.

I was actually planning on leaving after that orbit anyway, I had been playing for a little over 5 hours and was up and down. I didnt leave because of the beat or not having the ability to rebuy. I actually had two black chips in my pocket and decided agaisnt putting them in the game since I was going to be leaving.

And to be honest I really considered folding the set on flop and leaving the casino with just a small lose, but that was just a breif fleeting thought
 
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Still mulling over this hand in my head. I was reasonably sure that villain in bb had made the str8. So after the flop I have 7 outs to improve, 3 10's, 3 6's, 1 9, If I miss turn I gain 3 more outs for the river 3 x.

So I have 7 outs on flop, and 10 outs on river. If I know that I'm going to shove I can use the 10 outs to get to the river. If I am reasonably sure villain has str8(which I was), it really is inconsequential what villain in sb has, as I know I need to pair the board to win regardless.

So doing the math 10 outs, 5 know cards 10d, 6d, 9s, 9c, 9d. so 47 unknown leaves us with this 10 out of 47 cards get me there. Which is a 1 in 4.7 chance to make the boat or better.

So I would need 4.7 times my stack in the pot to make the call correct.

The pot was $80 preflop, $50 from Hero, $50 from sb, $50 from bb, and $216 more to call. for a pot of $446.

So I have to put in $216 to win $446 just a bit over 2-1 pot odds not correct to call.

I shoved for more $280 lets assume I knew sb was going to call that would make the pot. $445 + sb's $280 for a pot of $725

so now im betting $280 to win $725 or a bit better than 2.5-1 pot odds. Again not correct to call.

So my conclusion is that there would of needed to be $280 x 4.7 = $1316 in the pot to make it correct.

I should of folded hand? Does that math make sense?

I guess assuming I knew he made the str8 I could say there were
7 know cards (the cards stated above + 7, 8) cards which made the str8.

so 45 unknown or 10/45 or 1 in 4.5 chance to make boat or better still not getting correct odds to call?

Also, I stated that both villains seemed to be friends and came together to casino. I got the feeling that If I folded sb would of folded and let his buddy win the pot. If I call, he calls giving them 2 chances to win my $$. I don't know if that even was considered by them and they both did have legitimate hands.

Could that be a form of collusion where two buddies are in a hand with a 3rd person and both play it that way to improve there odds of one of them winning and splitting up money at end of the night? Has anyone encountered that while playing?

just something to think about
 
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Still mulling over this hand in my head. I was reasonably sure that villain in bb had made the str8.

You sure this isn't just results oriented? If you were this sure then yeah easy fold.
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Could that be a form of collusion where two buddies are in a hand with a 3rd person and both play it that way to improve there odds of one of them winning and splitting up money at end of the night? Has anyone encountered that while playing?

Yes this can be collusion but you would have to see it done a couple of hands before calling the floor on it.
 
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Let's see, you're the initial raiser.

You make your set, then bet 62.5% of the pot.

You get a caller and someone shoves $266 into $180 pot.

I can't see any scenario that you can or should ever fold!

This is a snap shove all day.

The results are skewing your perception I think.

Nice play, bad luck.
 
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I don't flop sets of 9 to fold them
maybe on a monotone board but still, let's go. Pair the board and make me some Fiji money
 
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As 4 me call,because bank and all in almost like your stack,
 
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