Originally Posted by OzExorcist
Flat call and hope pot odds
convince fixer410 to come along for the ride as well?
The outs for anyone making a better straight than you on the river are pretty slim, and the heart draw is a back door so I'd figure it's unlikely anyone was hanging around based just on that.
I can't for the life of me imagine what hands the other two are holding that makes their betting make sense though... unless one (or both) of them have T9 in their hands as well
There's the fun part of Omaha, i'm sure initially he wasnt hanging around for it but having 2 hearts in his hand (and from our all in guy I smell something to the tune of 9h,10h or Qh,9h but not necessarily anything all that higher for the floosh draw) and seeing that turn probably gives him tons of outs to either a J or Q high straight with a mid flush draw if he hasnt already made his straight like we have. This thing is only 3 handed now and we're not the ones holding 2 hearts in our hand, and i'd be willing to bet almost anything that one of them definetely has the flush draw.
At this point in the hand, I really dont see us doing anything other than smooth calling and seeing how the other guy reacts to the bet himself. One way or another all the money is going in the middle from all 3 players by the time the hand is done I think.
Let's say that we reraise all in here, what are we hoping to accomplish? We have the best possible hand at this point and unless a heart hits on the river (or the board pairs but that happens less often than you think it does in Omaha) we will at worst chop this pot. So our reraise could scare off the guy who doesnt have the flush draw and we most likely have crushed. The smooth call gives us MORE information
about the last guy to act, and what were up against.
Now if we smooth call and he reraises the rest of his chips in, then we find out that he's probably not betting a set by itself anymore, he's betting a set with a nice flush draw, and we can decide whether or not to throw the extra chips in the middle. (But again, at this point noone can tell me you're getting away from this hand one way or the other).
The last option is our smooth call and his smooth call, which can only mean extreme weakness on his part i'd guess. He would definetely be drawing to the board pairing or be hoping a lower straight is good and I'm sure we can still extract at least some of that last $5 he has with him in the end.
But lastly, this is the beauty of Omaha. You're playing at a micro table where I can pretty much guarantee you that 95% of the players don't understand the concept and will stay with that set of trips thinking its good because they cant grasp the fullness of the game. Honestly no matter what move you make I dont view it as a bad one from this point, just a matter of opinion really.