PLO Hi, what do you do here? is my thinking right?

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Hey, had just really sat down, won 1 small pot (60c) without showdown, didnt have any info on any of the players.

Ive annotated pot sizes and what i was thinking at each stage, would just like someone to have a look and see if i was on a totally crazy line or in the right area of thinking, thanks.

full tilt poker Game #7425569079: Table Dwyer (deep 6) - $0.05/$0.10 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 14:16:12 ET - 2008/07/29
Seat 2: thepowertaylor ($10.60)
Seat 3: gabor77 ($10.65)
Seat 4: nevedimka2937 ($10)
Seat 5: ViperPro_87 ($24.50)
Seat 6: kip9854 ($21.25)
gabor77 posts the small blind of $0.05
nevedimka2937 posts the big blind of $0.10
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to thepowertaylor [6h 5s 7s 4c]
ViperPro_87 raises to $0.35
kip9854 folds
thepowertaylor calls $0.35
gabor77 folds
nevedimka2937 adds $0.10
nevedimka2937 folds
POT = $0.95

My thinking here was that he was poss raising w/ a big pair at least, maybe even just trying to bully the table thought i'd see the flop as i was in pos, would have a nice hand if the flop hit me , and he was 1 of the players i could double up through on this table, also the fact that he was on $20 didnt really worry me as anyone can double up in omaha if they hit the right cards, this guy could totally pay me off if i hit things like 2 pair, straight draws or flopped straights with his overpair

*** FLOP *** [2d 7h 6d]
ViperPro_87 bets $0.85
thepowertaylor has 15 seconds left to act
thepowertaylor calls $0.85
POT = $2.65

Here, after a bit of thought, i thought my 2 pair was good, he bet like he was protecting his hand, giving me bad odds to draw at a flush or a straight, i think if he has a big flush draw plus a big over pair here he wants to give me the correct odds to draw to a lower flush, i was 60-70% sure that he has a big overpair to the board, so i figure if the board doesnt pair i'm good with my 6 7, and if the board pairs either the 6 or the 7 i'm stacking him.

*** TURN *** [2d 7h 6d] [Td]
ViperPro_87 bets $1.25
thepowertaylor calls $1.25
POT=$5.15

I dont think he had a flush here but i cant be 100% sure that he doesn't so i flat call, thinking that if i he checks the river i push, this is where i thought about posting on here because i think i play it badly from the turn onwards...

*** RIVER *** [2d 7h 6d Td] [5d]
ViperPro_87 bets $2.50
POT=$7.65
I call for $2.50 (Note, ive now put 4.60 into this pot, which is pretty much half my original stack, how does this affect how i should have played this hand?)

Here is where me and my friend disagree on this, the half pot bet confuses me but i'm getting 3-1 here so i'm definetly calling, the thing is, i put him in my head on a big over pair right from the start, i dont believe he has the flush on the turn and i dont believe it on the river, so why not raise?? I say, because i cant be 100% sure that he doesn't have 2 diamonds or even that he's raised with garbage and my reads are completely wrong, as i have only been at the table for 5-6 hands max, if i raise here i think only a hand that beats me is calling and if he comes over the top i can't call, my friend thinks that i should have trusted my gut here and raised it up, i think i'm was winning so put my money where my mouth is kinda thing!

What do you think he's on, could be on, what should i have done, not just on the river but throughout the entire hand!?

Please dont be too brutal but i can take, and kinda want, constructive crit if anyone can think of any.

I'll post the results after a bit of feedback, hopefully, thanks for any advice you can give me :)
 
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Dealt to thepowertaylor [6h 5s 7s 4c]
ViperPro_87 raises to $0.35
kip9854 folds
thepowertaylor calls $0.35
This falls under the top drawing hands in omaha, and hits a sh1t ton of flops. I don't think anyone is going to debate not playing this.

*** FLOP *** [2d 7h 6d]
ViperPro_87 bets $0.85
thepowertaylor has 15 seconds left to act
thepowertaylor calls $0.85
POT = $2.65
Raise. You flop top two with an OESD. That's 6 outs to the nuts, plus 4 outs to the non-nut straight, and 2 outs to an underfull. Not to mention your top 2 is likely good here. Plus any flush card on the turn is going to make your life suck.


*** TURN *** [2d 7h 6d] [Td]
ViperPro_87 bets $1.25
thepowertaylor calls $1.25
POT=$5.15

I dont think he had a flush here but i cant be 100% sure that he doesn't so i flat call, thinking that if i he checks the river i push, this is where i thought about posting on here because i think i play it badly from the turn onwards...
After the flush card hits on the turn, life sucks for you. If this guy's repping a lot of flushes or just typically being stupid-aggro, then I don't *hate* calling down. But calling down with top 2 on a flushy (and then straighty) board on the river certainly isn't a winning play in my book.

Raise pot on the flop, and avoid this mess. You're not gonna survive being weak-tight at Omaha.
 
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This falls under the top drawing hands in omaha, and hits a sh1t ton of flops. I don't think anyone is going to debate not playing this.

Raise. You flop top two with an OESD. That's 6 outs to the nuts, plus 4 outs to the non-nut straight, and 2 outs to an underfull. Not to mention your top 2 is likely good here. Plus any flush card on the turn is going to make your life suck.


After the flush card hits on the turn, life sucks for you. If this guy's repping a lot of flushes or just typically being stupid-aggro, then I don't *hate* calling down. But calling down with top 2 on a flushy (and then straighty) board on the river certainly isn't a winning play in my book.

Raise pot on the flop, and avoid this mess. You're not gonna survive being weak-tight at Omaha.

the flat call on river is ok..cant repop it..a flop bet/reraise mightve told u better where u were at in the hand. but then again, he might go aggro on ya and repop his overpair..seen it, all the time.

his half pot bet on the turn makes me think the flush scared him, i think he has AAXX/KKXX and hope his XX didnt counterfeit you.

i like the call preflop, great drawin hand like c9 said, and ck call or call after turn is standard to me. missed oppo on the flop i think:cool:
 
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POT=$7.65
I call for $2.50 (Note, ive now put 4.60 into this pot, which is pretty much half my original stack, how does this affect how i should have played this hand?)

I'm still learning Omaha, but this much I do know; what you've put in already doesn't matter. It's a sunk cost. All that matters is what you've got left and/or the bet size to you relative to the pot size.
 
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Raise pot on the flop, and avoid this mess. You're not gonna survive being weak-tight at Omaha.

^ this.

I tend to agree, it's likely our hand is best on the flop. It's not likely to be so strong by the river though, so if we can take the pot there and then we'd be much happier.
 
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Thanks guys, some good advice there, specially about not playing too weak-tight in omaha, i guess on this flop with is raise pf i have to presume i'm ahead against a big pair, and like daxter says, hope his xx doesnt counterfeit me.....

Daxter you were spot on and seemed to have read it pretty much the same as me with regards to the half bet on the turn.

Here it is..


I call for $2.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
ViperPro_87 shows [As Ac 2c 9h] a pair of Aces
thepowertaylor shows [6h 5s 7s 4c] two pair, Sevens and Sixes
thepowertaylor wins the pot ($9.05) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.05 | Rake $1
Board: [2d 7h 6d Td 5d]
Seat 2: thepowertaylor (button) showed [6h 5s 7s 4c] and won ($9.05) with two pair, Sevens and Sixes
Seat 3: gabor77 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: nevedimka2937 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: ViperPro_87 showed [As Ac 2c 9h] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: kip9854 didn't bet (folded)

I'm was glad that my read was right, it was one of them, wow i actually do know what i'm doing moments lol, but i was also dissapointed that i didnt trust my gut and raise on the flop, but we live and learn! Thanks for the advice guys and c9, great as always :)

Thanks
 
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"Raise pot on the flop, and avoid this mess" I think this is the number one thing i have to take from this, but what happens if i raise and he comes right over the top and puts me all in, would that be an easy call to make?
 
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thats really stupid play , if he didnt have the flush he would of def checked ther ,even if he had big pair before th flop,theres still lots of draws that could of gotten threw in the end

stoooopid play on taylor's behalf, or viper...:confused:

if viper had made his flush on the turn, somehow even with his preflop raise with big pair, he either bets pot, or cks there, hoping to ck/raise. recognizing bettin patterns is the only tell u gonna get online.:cool:
 
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Raise preflop

Pot the flop

seeing as he has AAxx at this point money probably all going in, end of hand ;o
 
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gotten threw in the end

Thats really stupid england, the correct spelling for the word i believe you were trying to use is through.

See, thats criticism, which everyone likes to hear now and then but it's CONSTRUCTIVE!

Like i said in the OP crit me all you want, but be constructive about it man

How can you say he will DEF check there if he hasn't got the flush, i can say quite confidently that if he had the flush he doesn't bet half the pot on the turn tho, like dax said he either bets the pot to maybe make it look like he still wants to protect his hand or he check raises because i must have something to show an interest on the flop and theres a high chance i'll bet the turn with anything if he checks. After looking again i think its more likely that his bet on the river was just a sort of blocker bet which makes him look weaker if anything.

In my defence i think the only part of this hand i played 'stupid' was the flop, every other street he showed no sign of strength.

Rant over lol
 
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"Raise pot on the flop, and avoid this mess" I think this is the number one thing i have to take from this, but what happens if i raise and he comes right over the top and puts me all in, would that be an easy call to make?
No, it wouldn't. But if you read him for a big pair, the worse case scenario is aces + the flush draw.

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Unless he has something funny like a set of deuces, or a hand like 6789, you're drawing pretty live. We'd pretty much have to get it in here. You're only a 2:1 dog against 2289 with a flush draw.
 
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I agree with c9h here. Also your completely right on the river considering your hand is pretty weak unless your read is completely right and all he has is a big overpair. You aren't getting paid if you raise your losing more money!
 
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Yeah, c9h's comment pretty much sums it all. Raise the flop, and fold either the turn or the river. I think that the balance of his range pretty much crushes you, no one would bet just a pair with value on the river on such a draw-heavy board.

EDIT: Answered quickly. No one with the slightest clue of omahahaha would value you to call on the river with his kind of hand, it's just pure spew.
 
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