PLO flopped str8 vs. calling station

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No reads on villain. Looking to see cheap flop with mini wheel.


Stacks:

* SB with $155.70
* BB with $41.60
* UTG with $51.40
* MP with $29.45
* CO with $60.90
* BTN with $49.95

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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to UTG:9♥ T♦ 8♥ A♣
Preflop:
* * Hero calls [$0.50]
* * MP calls [$0.50]
* * CO: checks
* * BTN calls [$0.50]
* * BB: checks
* * 1 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 1
* * Potsize: $2.25
Flop:
* * 6♣ 8♠ 7♣
* * BB bets [$2.85]
* * 1 players fold.
* * Hero raises $8.55 to $11.40 Pot size bet to take down here.
* * 1 players fold.
* * CO calls [$11.40] Called. What is his range here?
* * 2 players folded.
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $27.9
Turn:
* * 7♥
* * Hero ?

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I would say check raise him, to show that you have a strong hand, and you don't want to take this to river to he make a full house, and be carefull with the flush, because I think he has a draw
 
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how can u call him a calling station if u have no reads on him?
his calling range on the flop includes flush draws and sets but im not sure a flush draw leads out on this flop and he would probably have reraised if he had the nutz, that said, he could probably have a lesser str8 here as well and is trying to get to showdown cheaply
so i think we r looking at a set which turned a boat or a FD or a lesser str8. both the FD and lesser str8 will fold to a bet on the turn (should fold) and u will probably get reraised by the boat
so i think a 1/2 pot bet would probably do enuff in getting us some info on where we are
 
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Sorry, the calling station was how he was in this hand. I find a lot of times that half potting in low stakes doesn't accomplish much. This is where I have problems with. I don't want to check. Checking gives him a free card. If he is chasing some sort of draw I want to make sure he pays for it. By this time I put him on a set.

Turn:
* * 7♥
* * Hero bets [$27.25]
* * 2 players fold.
* * CO calls [$27.25]
* * Potsize: $82.4
River:
* * 3♣
* * Hero?
 
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I havn't played PLO in an age but this to me looks relatively straight-forward, especially against an unknown.

I never play this hand UTG pre-flop, if we had the Ace of diamonds then I could see the arguement for playing it, but we are playing a poor hand oop, and its too easy to get into some tricky spots. The flop is fantastic, and we have to look at maximing whilst protecting our hand (we have no re-draw outs). I feel potting it is a little exessive, and forces us to play pots that are a little too large oop on bad turn/river cards. But he calls when we have the nuts, and we can use this to polarize his range to big combo drawing hands/a hand similar to ours and sets.

The turn is a disaster, and its really puts us in a spot, and here is the crux of the issue with being OOP. We can however use the WA/WB concept a little, or we can put out a block bet, but potting here is the biggest mistake of the hand. We basically are only getting called by hands that crush us, and are folding out any hands that we can get a little more value from. I'm looking here to put out a block bet, or even c/c in the hope that villian may bluff his combo draw.

The river also a pretty poor card for us, but what have we got left behind $12 ? Check and hope he checks behind, otherwise call any bet.
 
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the BB didn't call when you reraised on the flop?

This hand your probably better off either calling BB's bet or I would just raise min raise it. If you min raise it you an represent alot more hands on the turn because people won't necessarily put you on the nut straight, If anyone thought you played omaha straightforward than they are gonna put you on some type of straight, most likely a nut straight. Also this makes the CO think your weak and he could possibly raise here if he likes his hand, thats when you could reraise overtop.

For the position player to call he could have a set, maybe paired every card on the flop, I'd most likely put him on a flush draw, he could possibly have the same hand as you and simply be calling to bet on the scare card, but logically most players won't do that to you on that level on that type of flop because they want to protect their hand against the flush, but if you have no reads on dude you can't really know if he's protecting his hand like he's supposed to, in this case tho I think its more likely CO has a weaker straight than the nut straight as far as that goes and he can be calling solely because he has position.

I think you got really 2 options on the turn, you can either bet doesn't necessarily have to be half the pot you can maybe value bet on the turn and river and make him make decide if he wants to raise you or not, because if you don't have any reads on him that pretty much means he doesn't have a read on you, most players won't raise you here without the goods, but than plenty will so not having any reads really puts you in a bind because if he calls you have no clue where your at on the turn and since you raised so much on the flop pretty much signifying you have a straight its gonna be hard for dude not to push all in on the river if you check to him whether he has it or not.

you can check and being that you just got to this table I would check just to see what type of player this is because this will help you determine how you want to set him up later, if he doesn't respect your check than you know next time you get a hand and you raise it or if you just call it on the flop when he's in position you can check it to him on the turn and expect a check raise. Its only one hand and I think its better off you see what he wants to do rather than put your whole stack at risk in the dark pretty much.

its funny cus like tenbob said if its an ace of diamond you have much more of an argument to play this out of position, thing is even if it was a diamond here you would still be stuck in the same situation. I don't know if you want to call ANY bet like tenbob said because if its a pot bet you have to ask yourself are you ready to call on the river another bet when you have no reads to begin with. I wouldnt advise playing this hand either oop, never would do it in a raised pot, I wouldn't have much of a problem with the preflop call if you know the table isn't a "position aggy raise table" and you have reads on anybody, and if someone raised in position you definitley have to let go of this hand if the raise is big, regardless u don't have none of this info so its a preflop fold.

Yeah pot betting on the turn is not good, I think this is a situation where you just have to chalk it up as an L in your head mentally and give the person in position some respect/ let them think they outplayed you on this particular hand. on the river you can't beat anything but a bluff and a weaker straight, he has no real reason to bluff against you by the river without knowing you, and, the pot wasn't raised by him so it wasn't like he was trying to control the pot to begin with, it was a hand where everyone limped and most times here people ain't gonna try to bluff you out here, your gonna get bluffed out on raised pots, now your pot committed and he probably has you beat in all reality you need to fold on the river, but pot odds and the info you need to see what he was betting with damn near requires you to call

This is another reason why it can be worth it to watch the table for about 10 mins before you play, especially if you plan on playing oop in cheap pots.
 
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This is all great advice that I wished I had before. I have since used this to my advantage. But onto this hand. On the river I figured that if I checked he would come over the top of me. $12 left so there wasn't much left for me to do. But when I saw what he had I kept quiet, made notes, reloaded and took him to the cleaners afterwards. On something like this I don't think there is much that can be done.

River:
* * 3♣
* * Hero bets [$12.25] [ all-in ]
* * CO calls [$12.25]
Results:
* * Hero shows a straight, Six to Ten:
* * 9♥ 10♦ 8♥ A♣
* * CO shows a flush, Queen high:
* * 5♥ Q♣ 9♣ 4♣
* * CO collected $104.65 from pot
 
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