PLO #3

Table is good mixture of TAG, LAG, and one major donk. Villian is a chaser.

pokerstars Game #19218105706: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/07/30 - 09:15:36 (ET)
Table 'Argelander' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: klitkat ($31.35 in chips)
Seat 2: Fmr84 ($24.25 in chips)
Seat 3: Fixel86 ($35.40 in chips)
Seat 4: 9ballsmitty ($62.90 in chips)
Seat 5: nestspin ($33.85 in chips)
Seat 6: ShichiFuku ($47.45 in chips)
ShichiFuku: posts small blind $0.10
klitkat: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to klitkat [3s 2h Jh 3c]
Fmr84: calls $0.25
Fixel86: folds
9ballsmitty: calls $0.25
nestspin: calls $0.25
ShichiFuku: calls $0.15
klitkat: checks
*** FLOP *** [Th 6d Kh]
ShichiFuku: checks
klitkat: bets $0.75
Fmr84: calls $0.75
9ballsmitty: folds
nestspin: folds
ShichiFuku: folds
*** TURN *** [Th 6d Kh] [Ah]
klitkat: ?

i dont understand what ur thought processes were when u bet on that flop, what was ur reasoning?
seeing as u bet the flop, i think it is best u make a 1/2 pot to 2/3 pot bet, kinda like a feeler bet to see if villian has the nut flush

Agreed. Now is a good time to bet less than pot. You don't want to only get calls from hands that beat you, and you don't want to get all in. But you need to bet, since sets/two pair will often call you to fill up, and there's value in that bet.

I bet what I did on the flop for value. I have a flush draw but the pot could go any way. I wanted money in but yet not potting it in case the hand went south.

^ but ur doing it into 4 opponents with nothing and ur not drawing to the nutz, i could understand if ur doing it with the nut draw but not in this situation

Check/fold that flop. OOP with a nothing draw is not the place to be building any kind of pot. As is I bet a little more than 1/2 pot on the turn and I go away to any serious raise.

I agree, check folding that flop

I'd not even played it preflop but you got in free ;o

So you would suggest folding the flush draw here and the Royal flush draw here?

you don't have a royal flush draw you gotta use 2 of your 4 cards

your flush will only be jack high, that is if you hit it and someone else might have a higher flush, then you will be giving your money away

you have practically no other outs and no current hand

ie you have nothing ;]

bubbasbestbabe said:

So you would suggest folding the flush draw here and the Royal flush draw here?

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uhoh..

no RF draw here..but 1/2 pot bet will tell u where u at, tho 9 hi flush might raise ya, if its the total donk at the table. and ck call the river unless u suk the Q hearts out or the board pairs.

My bad about the RF draw. I knew it too.

Okay now what would you put this guy on? I've got my flush albeit J high. Qh is only card to beat me. I bet what I did for information only. He flat calls me.

*** TURN *** [Th 6d Kh] [Ah]
klitkat: bets $1
Fmr84: calls $1
*** RIVER *** [Th 6d Kh Ah] [2c]
klitkat:?

something like 2/3 pot or 3/4 pot bet would be the best line of action to get value for ur hand, tbh he doesnt look like he has much so u dont want to bet too big

ye i agree with about a 2/3 pot bet here since it doesn't look like villain has much of a hand and he probably re raises nuts on turn, so 2/3 seems right. I also agree with check/folding the flop

1/2 to 2/3 pot seems right. He'll probably look you up with the straight.

What? Not calling for me to pot it? Oh well, guess what I did?

*** RIVER *** [Th 6d Kh Ah] [2c]
klitkat: bets $4.55
Fmr84: folds
Uncalled bet ($4.55) returned to klitkat
klitkat collected $4.55 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.75 | Rake $0.20
Board [Th 6d Kh Ah 2c]
Seat 1: klitkat (big blind) collected ($4.55)

u cant pot it up here because villain hasnt shown any strenght in the hand so the chance of him actually having that good of a hand to call ur pot bet with is slim, unless he is slow playing, in which case he probably has you beat

pantin007 said:

u cant pot it up here because villain hasnt shown any strenght in the hand so the chance of him actually having that good of a hand to call ur pot bet with is slim, unless he is slow playing, in which case he probably has you beat

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What pantin said.
You see, we said pot it in #2 because villian showed obvious strength and you had the nut flush there, but villians call here on your turn bet shows weakness, If villian indeed had the nut flush he most likely would have potted it on your turn bet.

indeed what pantin said is correct. On your previous hand you posted, villain was showing aggression on all streets so that warranted a pot bet. Here villain is making scared not sure calls, therefore you need to value bet him a smaller amount.

Also i don't understand why your willing to pot the 2nd nuts, but not the nuts in the previous hand. Or was this hand played after you had received advice in the previous thread?

switch0723 said:

indeed what pantin said is correct. On your previous hand you posted, villain was showing aggression on all streets so that warranted a pot bet. Here villain is making scared not sure calls, therefore you need to value bet him a smaller amount.

Also i don't understand why your willing to pot the 2nd nuts, but not the nuts in the previous hand. Or was this hand played after you had received advice in the previous thread?

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BTW switch, I absolutely love your avatar, great choice:smile:

This is why I'm posting these. I've just started playing PLO. And you guys are giving good advice. But I have to put it all together. I have some more to come. These are hands in which I had questions about my play.

fwiw, I think the advice above is sound. Horrible hand, must check/fold flop. Given turn card, must lead about 2/3 pot. Then on river, I bet smaller to get higher chance of being called. Nut flush on turn would raise you almost always, so you know you're best on the river and want to get more value out of your hand. I'd bet about 1/2 pot or if villain is agro, go for check raise.

skoldpadda said:

fwiw, I think the advice above is sound. Horrible hand, must check/fold flop. Given turn card, must lead about 2/3 pot. Then on river, I bet smaller to get higher chance of being called. Nut flush on turn would raise you almost always, so you know you're best on the river and want to get more value out of your hand. I'd bet about 1/2 pot or if villain is agro, go for check raise.

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wouldnt ck raise cuz he cks his 2 pair/set behind..agree a good 1/2 or even 3/5 pot for value and u might suck some more outta him...

Gotta bet for value here in the river and keep it pretty smallish because if he is slowplaying you which is a very good possibility with the nuts since to him it would just look like your aimlessly betting that if you bet 1.50ish or 1.75 and he raises you can still get away cheaply. If he raises your pot bet on the river what are you gonna do? River pot is a really bad bet because he can't call with a straight and he's gonna raise you with the nuts and your screwed!