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I think I am going to have a series of hands here about Pot Limit Omaha.
Here's #2. Villian has been calling every flop.


Hand #55254605-15392 at Hudson (Pot Limit Omaha)
Started at 27/Jul/08 18:32:32

qaz321 is at seat 0 with $70.30 (sitting out).
bubbasbest is at seat 3 with $41.35.
S C is at seat 4 with $51.85.
The button is at seat 3.

bubbasbest posts the small blind of $.25.
S C posts the big blind of $.50.
bubbasbest: 8c Ac 4s 8d
S C: -- -- -- --
Pre-flop:

bubbasbest calls. S C checks.
Flop (board: Tc 6c 9h):

S C bets $1. bubbasbest S C bets $1. bubbasbest calls.
Turn (board: Tc 6c 9h 5c):

S C bets $3. bubbasbest?
 
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I don't play PLO much, but a pot bet looks in order here.
If you have been playing a solid game and villian knows this, just call and let villian hang himself.
 
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you have a lock if board don't pair and you're OP , I agree with shine .

the only other way is to call and hope to check raise on the river but that's risky , but if you think he has a lower flush or str8 and will bet it

I can't tell you anything you don't know , just giving my opinion :)
 
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in plo, there is no need at all to slow play/ trap unless you have a ridiculous read on an opponent to put them on a specific hand. Pot it now
 
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Agree with everyone here. Pot it now. If the board pairs you won't want the action you might get on the river.
 
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i fifth the pot, and check river if board pairs but if it doesnt pair, pot again
 
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I'd pop it up. Villain sounds like a bit of a calling station, so why slowplay? Also a nut flush generally only gets more money in on the river than the turn if the villain hits a full house or something. If he has a hand that's going to pay you off, he's going to do it on the turn.
 
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Pot betting is where people get themselves in trouble in this game. Most only know the pot bet button.

I called.

S C bets $1. bubbasbest calls.
Turn (board: Tc 6c 9h 5c):

S C bets $3. bubbasbest calls.
River (board: Tc 6c 9h 5c Js):

S C bets $3.75. bubbasbest?
 
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u got the nutz and u want as much value for ur hand as possible so again, i would pot it right here on the river
 
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the pot button is there so you can maximize value, people see pot value bets the same as 2/3rd size bets in omaha, they decide whether they are going to call or not regardless of the size of the bet. So just pot it
 
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Pot it.

Not potting the turn is was a mistake, unless you hate money.
 
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Why do you want to pot it? Do you pot your HE hands every bet? This is the advice I am getting for every hand here.
 
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Why do you want to pot it? Do you pot your HE hands every bet? This is the advice I am getting for every hand here.

PLO players expect a pot bet and they'll call a pot bet, so with the nuts I'll throw out a pot bet to maximize. Calling with the nuts (or raising anything less than pot) really doesn't accomplish anything here.
 
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well u gotta raise something...why not pot?? lol, unless u know hes got the K/Q/J hi flush and would repop u on a min raise or 8-9$ bet:cool:
 
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what you dont want is his 2 pair turning into full boat sobe careful
if a pair dont come on the river then you get your value not his value
 
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PLO players expect a pot bet and they'll call a pot bet, so with the nuts I'll throw out a pot bet to maximize. Calling with the nuts (or raising anything less than pot) really doesn't accomplish anything here.

This exactly.

Also you bet pot on the basis that in plo there are so many draws and redraws on a single hand, that you need to bet pot to protect your hand as much as possible as well as try to not give your opponents odds to draw. But basically people use the pot button for normal bets so its just standard
 
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This exactly.

Also you bet pot on the basis that in plo there are so many draws and redraws on a single hand, that you need to bet pot to protect your hand as much as possible as well as try to not give your opponents odds to draw. But basically people use the pot button for normal bets so its just standard
Bingo. In a typical hold'em game, you can bet 3/4 pot and have villain make a terrible mistake by calling you with a flush draw. Often times in omaha, you can make a potsized bet, and villain will still be getting correct odds to call. There's just so many more draws out there.

There are situations to bet/raise less than pot. But PLO players just expect pot sized bets & raises. So if you're going to be betting for value, just go ahead and pot it. Also, if you're ever playing against a thinking player (few and far between at low limits), how are you ever going to be able to represent a flush if you don't play your flushes fast as well?
 
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Bingo. In a typical hold'em game, you can bet 3/4 pot and have villain make a terrible mistake by calling you with a flush draw. Often times in omaha, you can make a potsized bet, and villain will still be getting correct odds to call. There's just so many more draws out there.

There are situations to bet/raise less than pot. But PLO players just expect pot sized bets & raises. So if you're going to be betting for value, just go ahead and pot it. Also, if you're ever playing against a thinking player (few and far between at low limits), how are you ever going to be able to represent a flush if you don't play your flushes fast as well?

Great point. You should often be potting it with just the Ace of suit as well.
 
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Potting it is -EV. You aren't giving him the odds to call. Raising around 2/3 pot would be a bit better. If he reraises you, shove because even if he has a set on the turn and rivers a boat you are pot committed. If he calls and the board pairs, check/call.
 
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Potting it is -EV. You aren't giving him the odds to call. Raising around 2/3 pot would be a bit better. If he reraises you, shove because even if he has a set on the turn and rivers a boat you are pot committed. If he calls and the board pairs, check/call.

Please prove this statement or at least explain your logic.
 
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Okay, you have the nuts right now and he's betting into you, which means that he either flopped a straight and played it horribly, flopped a set and played it decently or turned a smaller flush and is trying to get value out of it. You want calls from weaker hands that are drawing dead. Potting it will scare away the straight and if he's decent scare away a ten high flush. He's gonna flat call if he has a set or a j or q high flush and probably reraise with a king high flush. If you make it less than that you get a call from a wider range of hands HU (small flushes and straights). You have position on the guy. Use it on the river, you are dodging 10 cards on the riv if he has the set. Personally, I think the lead out on the turn (after being minraised by you, which by the way is HORRIBLE) smells of low flush. Milk him.
 
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she hasn't raised :) but I agree on no need to scare him off , he flopped a str8 and isn't going anywhere unless you really make him believe you have the nut flush . I don't think he will re-raise no matter what and he might call a pot bet but I might be safe and just min-raise $3.75.
I do agree with the ones saying you have to make as much as possible or you're just spinning your wheels and he did bet every street so he may very well be a good candidate to call a pot bet .
I think to many people holding the nuts force the other players out instead of milking them for a little more . but I also hate betting $4 if they would call $10 . your call :)
 
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My thinking was along Jay's and Cody's. I didn't want to chase him off. I had made a few pot sized bets before and he would fold. He would go along if there was something for him to reach for. And if it didn't hurt him too much.

bubbasbest: 8c Ac 4s 8d


S C bets $3. bubbasbest calls.
River (board: Tc 6c 9h 5c Js):

S C bets $3.75. bubbasbest ?
 
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If he has a set, he's not folding. If he has a straight, its going to be very hard for him to fold it. If he's a bad player, he'll call with other crap. Raise the turn FFS! Stop worrying about losing customers and focus on getting value out of the customers you have.

Raise to the max on the river, is this even a debate?
 
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