playing cash tables again(super-micro stakes)

if you havent got it, act like you've got something:

Game # 476179014 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Aalsmeer"
Game ended 2006-12-05 14:16:47 GMT+01:00

Players:
mmm66 (EUR 1,82 in seat 1)
bdolphin (EUR 16,51 in seat 2)
icebear26 (EUR 3,93 in seat 3)
KerouacDog (EUR 1,69 in seat 4)
xdonz (EUR 1,79 in seat 5)
CAPARELLI (EUR 6,54 in seat 6)

Dealer: mmm66
Small Blind: bdolphin (0,02)
Big Blind: icebear26 (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: Ks - Js

KerouacDog Raise (0,08)
xdonz Fold
CAPARELLI Fold
mmm66 Fold
bdolphin Fold
icebear26 Call (0,04)

Flop Tc - 8s - Qc

icebear26 Check
KerouacDog Bet (0,04)
icebear26 Call (0,04)

Turn Tc - 8s - Qc - 7d

icebear26 Bet (0,04)
KerouacDog Call (0,04)

River Tc - 8s - Qc - 7d - 7c

icebear26 Check
KerouacDog Bet (0,17)
icebear26 Fold
KerouacDog Payback (0,17)

KerouacDog shows: Ks - Js (a pair of sevens)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 0,33 (with a pair of sevens)
Rake: EUR 0,01

mix it up now and again, pretend you have a hand PF, then bet the flop:



Game # 476180211 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Landgraaf"
Game ended 2006-12-05 14:24:39 GMT+01:00

Players:
mmm66 (EUR 1,27 in seat 1)
CALLMEPLZ1 (EUR 10,14 in seat 2)
ruir (EUR 4,00 in seat 3)
bdolphin (EUR 6,62 in seat 4)
Xife (EUR 5,80 in seat 5)
KerouacDog (EUR 2,25 in seat 6)

Dealer: CALLMEPLZ1
Small Blind: ruir (0,02)
Big Blind: bdolphin (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 9d - 3s

Xife Fold
KerouacDog Raise (0,08)
mmm66 Call (0,08)
CALLMEPLZ1 Call (0,08)
ruir Fold
bdolphin Fold

Flop Ad - Js - 7c

KerouacDog Bet (0,30)
mmm66 Fold
CALLMEPLZ1 Fold
KerouacDog Payback (0,30)

KerouacDog shows: 9d - 3s (high card ace)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 0,29 (with high card ace)
Rake: EUR 0,01

and if he checks the flop, and a pair appears on the turn, bet as if it helps you:


Game # 476180181 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Landgraaf"
Game ended 2006-12-05 14:24:10 GMT+01:00

Players:
mmm66 (EUR 1,27 in seat 1)
CALLMEPLZ1 (EUR 10,16 in seat 2)
ruir (EUR 4,00 in seat 3)
bdolphin (EUR 6,62 in seat 4)
Xife (EUR 5,80 in seat 5)
KerouacDog (EUR 2,19 in seat 6)

Dealer: mmm66
Small Blind: CALLMEPLZ1 (0,02)
Big Blind: ruir (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 2h - 5d

bdolphin Fold
Xife Fold
KerouacDog Call (0,04)
mmm66 Fold
CALLMEPLZ1 Fold
ruir Check

Flop 7c - 9c - Qh

ruir Check
KerouacDog Check

Turn 7c - 9c - Qh - Qs

ruir Check
KerouacDog Bet (0,10)
ruir Fold
KerouacDog Payback (0,10)

KerouacDog shows: 2h - 5d (a pair of queens)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 0,10 (with a pair of queens)

admittedly, I didnt win much, but it was enough to provide me a few more blinds, plus I dont think anyone had a decent read on me.

Nice, KD.

I notice that, in your 2nd and 3rd examples, you`ve shown a bluff twice at the same table within a very short time (consecutive hands ?? judging from the timestamps).

I should think that anyone who is even half-awake will have you down as a bluffer after that.

You probably already though of this, but the logical next step is to stop the bluffing, but follow the same pattern the first time you have a real hand. There`s an excellent chance that the other players will be convinced you`re at it again and will call, whereupon you can screw them again to complete the hat trick.

I noticed that I fold a lot..

Egon Towst said:

Nice, KD.

I notice that, in your 2nd and 3rd examples, you`ve shown a bluff twice at the same table within a very short time (consecutive hands ?? judging from the timestamps).

I should think that anyone who is even half-awake will have you down as a bluffer after that.

You probably already though of this, but the logical next step is to stop the bluffing, but follow the same pattern the first time you have a real hand. There`s an excellent chance that the other players will be convinced you`re at it again and will call, whereupon you can screw them again to complete the hat trick.

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I was just playing around, but thanks for the advice. My next move normally, when I have time is to reload to maximum, inbetween hands, then go super-TAG, and wait for the nut hand to appear, either PF or with a board, then, as you say, bet it as previously, but try and get other person all-in on river

Xife said:

I noticed that I fold a lot..

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You dont like playing me, do you!

I've found that at micro tables, bluffing is perilous. I feel like I get called down by ace high a lot more than I would elsewhere. I don't profess to know why or if it's anything more than just my own small sample size, but that's my experience...

Still, well played.

Beriac said:

I've found that at micro tables, bluffing is perilous. I feel like I get called down by ace high a lot more than I would elsewhere. I don't profess to know why or if it's anything more than just my own small sample size, but that's my experience...

Still, well played.

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i guess i need a few reads b4 i attempt a bluff. then i wait for position, players i have reads on etc, then attempt one. i dont show them for the first few time, then i show a couple.
one other bit of advice, if the flop looks scary and the other guy(s) checks, put in a 3/4 pot size bluff, as that works a lot.

I definitely agree with that bit of advice. Often times, tight/passive players are begging to give away the pot.

sorry, that sounded like I was telling you stuff I guess you already know. It's more for me, cause although I know how to play, sometimes I dont take my own advice...........

Stuff your sorries in a sack, mister, this is just a poker discussion. If I didn't say anything that people already knew, I wouldn't be able to say anything at all!!

Good advice all around, and with hand histories to back it up. It's what I like to see!

KerouacsDog said:

sometimes I dont take my own advice...........

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Damn, that`s familiar.

I`ve lost count of how many times I`ve put the other guy on a hand that beat me, but I`ve called anyway in case I might be wrong.

Usually, I`m not wrong.

fish are a plentiful today:

Game # 477481122 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Geldermalsen"
Game ended 2006-12-07 17:38:48 GMT+01:00

Players:
Eki_ (EUR 3,41 in seat 1)
KerouacDog (EUR 3,36 in seat 2)
monello_ve (EUR 1,34 in seat 3)
iq0 (EUR 4,20 in seat 4)
banana_joe (EUR 3,61 in seat 5)
kalka (EUR 1,46 in seat 6)

Dealer: banana_joe
Small Blind: kalka (0,02)
Big Blind: Eki_ (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 5h - 2d

KerouacDog Raise (0,08)
monello_ve Call (0,08)
iq0 Fold
banana_joe Fold
kalka Fold
Eki_ Fold

Flop 8c - Ts - Jd

KerouacDog Bet (0,22)
monello_ve Call (0,22)

Turn 8c - Ts - Jd - 2s

KerouacDog Bet (0,26)
monello_ve Fold
KerouacDog Payback (0,26)

KerouacDog shows: 5h - 2d (a pair of deuces)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 0,63 (with a pair of deuces)
Rake: EUR 0,03


Game # 477480945 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Geldermalsen"
Game ended 2006-12-07 17:36:04 GMT+01:00

Players:
Eki_ (EUR 2,79 in seat 1)
KerouacDog (EUR 2,47 in seat 2)
monello_ve (EUR 2,48 in seat 3)
iq0 (EUR 4,26 in seat 4)
banana_joe (EUR 3,67 in seat 5)
kalka (EUR 1,92 in seat 6)

Dealer: KerouacDog
Small Blind: monello_ve (0,02)
Big Blind: iq0 (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 4s - 9s

banana_joe Fold
kalka Call (0,04)
Eki_ Call (0,04)
KerouacDog Call (0,04)
monello_ve Call (0,02)
iq0 Check

Flop 9c - 5d - 9d

monello_ve Check
iq0 Check
kalka Bet (0,04)
Eki_ Call (0,04)
KerouacDog Raise (0,16)
monello_ve Call (0,16)
iq0 Fold
kalka Call (0,12)
Eki_ Call (0,12)

Turn 9c - 5d - 9d - Ah

monello_ve Check
kalka Bet (0,18)
Eki_ Call (0,18)
KerouacDog Call (0,18)
monello_ve Fold

River 9c - 5d - 9d - Ah - 7c

kalka Bet (0,26)
Eki_ Fold
KerouacDog Call (0,26)

kalka shows: Ad - Qd (two pairs, aces and nines)
KerouacDog shows: 4s - 9s (three of a kind, nines)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 1,81 (with three of a kind, nines)
Rake: EUR 0,09


Game # 477480801 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Geldermalsen"
Game ended 2006-12-07 17:33:52 GMT+01:00

Players:
Eki_ (EUR 2,81 in seat 1)
KerouacDog (EUR 2,25 in seat 2)
monello_ve (EUR 2,50 in seat 3)
iq0 (EUR 4,50 in seat 4)
banana_joe (EUR 3,67 in seat 5)
kalka (EUR 1,92 in seat 6)

Dealer: kalka
Small Blind: Eki_ (0,02)
Big Blind: KerouacDog (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 7h - 8s

monello_ve Call (0,04)
iq0 Fold
banana_joe Fold
kalka Fold
Eki_ Fold
KerouacDog Raise (0,04)
monello_ve Call (0,04)

Flop 9d - 7c - 7s

KerouacDog Bet (0,09)
monello_ve Call (0,09)

Turn 9d - 7c - 7s - 9s

KerouacDog Bet (0,14)
monello_ve Call (0,14)

River 9d - 7c - 7s - 9s - Jh

KerouacDog Bet (0,04)
monello_ve Call (0,04)

KerouacDog shows: 7h - 8s (a full house, sevens full of nines)
monello_ve didn't show: Kd - 4h (two pairs, nines and sevens)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 0,69 (with a full house, sevens full of nines

Game # 477467656 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Geldermalsen"
Game ended 2006-12-07 17:30:59 GMT+01:00

Players:
Eki_ (EUR 2,72 in seat 1)
KerouacDog (EUR 1,90 in seat 2)
monello_ve (EUR 2,66 in seat 3)
iq0 (EUR 4,66 in seat 4)
banana_joe (EUR 3,73 in seat 5)

Dealer: monello_ve
Small Blind: iq0 (0,02)
Big Blind: banana_joe (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 6c - 3h

Eki_ Call (0,04)
KerouacDog Raise (0,08)
monello_ve Call (0,08)
iq0 Call (0,06)
banana_joe Fold
Eki_ Call (0,04)

Flop Ac - Ad - Th

iq0 Check
Eki_ Check
KerouacDog Bet (0,18)
monello_ve Fold
iq0 Fold
Eki_ Fold
KerouacGame # 477412256 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Putten"
Game ended 2006-12-07 15:45:57 GMT+01:00

Players:
hotwax (EUR 4,99 in seat 1)
ZonZee (EUR 1,25 in seat 2)
Juzam (EUR 3,01 in seat 3)
KerouacDog (EUR 1,24 in seat 4)
Malfatta (EUR 2,80 in seat 5)
claptongod (EUR 4,62 in seat 6)

Dealer: claptongod
Small Blind: hotwax (0,02)
Big Blind: ZonZee (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: 8h - Td

Juzam Fold
KerouacDog Raise (0,08)
Malfatta Fold
claptongod Fold
hotwax Fold
ZonZee Call (0,04)

Flop 5s - Jd - 7h

ZonZee Bet (0,04)
KerouacDog Call (0,04)

Turn 5s - Jd - 7h - Jc

ZonZee Bet (0,04)
KerouacDog Call (0,04)

River 5s - Jd - 7h - Jc - 9d

ZonZee Bet (0,38)
KerouacDog Call (0,38)

ZonZee shows: 6h - Js (three of a kind, jacks)
KerouacDog shows: 8h - Td (a straight, jack high)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 1,05 (with a straight, jack high)
Rake: EUR 0,05



ok, i lost some hands, its not like i won every one. but it was a fun half hour(or therabouts) session, with 2 of them good players, and 3 of them fish.
I welcome your advice, criticism, applause, etc. if i played any of these wrong, where? I know I made a couple of errors.
KD

I think the last hand, where your straight beat trip jacks, makes a great case study in implied odds. I don't know if you had the pot odds to call there, but the outcome as an example supports the idea that making loose calls in small pots can win you much bigger pots when you hit than you lose when you don't.

Beriac said:

I think the last hand, where your straight beat trip jacks, makes a great case study in implied odds. I don't know if you had the pot odds to call there, but the outcome as an example supports the idea that making loose calls in small pots can win you much bigger pots when you hit than you lose when you don't.

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oh, i wasnt even thinking pot odds when i made that call. i figured he bet small on the flop and turn, so he might have the jack, but ceetainly not the JJ. yeah he might have got lucky with a full house, that was my risk. i wouldnt fold the straight on that board. thats the risk. it was an instinct call.

PS I knew I had the nut straight(by that I mean i had the best straight available on that board) so shud only fear fullhouse or quads.

It was a solid play KD, I like it

Beriac said:

It was a solid play KD, I like it

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thanks mate. appreciate the comment.

this hand was nice:

Game # 477592931 - Texas Hold'em No Limit EUR 0,02/0,04 - Table "Dronten"
Game ended 2006-12-07 20:23:17 GMT+01:00

Players:
KerouacDog (EUR 2,15 in seat 1)
chuckiem (EUR 0,99 in seat 2)
HelpMeBosh (EUR 4,62 in seat 3)
hotwax (EUR 2,76 in seat 4)
Jartsi83 (EUR 2,34 in seat 6)

Dealer: Jartsi83
Small Blind: KerouacDog (0,02)
Big Blind: chuckiem (0,04)

KerouacDog was dealt: Ks - Th

HelpMeBosh Raise (0,09)
hotwax Call (0,09)
Jartsi83 Call (0,09)
KerouacDog Call (0,07)
chuckiem Call (0,05)

Flop 2h - Ts - Tc

KerouacDog Bet (0,18)
chuckiem Call (0,18)
HelpMeBosh Fold
hotwax Fold
Jartsi83 Call (0,18)

Turn 2h - Ts - Tc - Ac

KerouacDog Bet (0,40)
chuckiem Call (0,40)
Jartsi83 Fold

River 2h - Ts - Tc - Ac - 5h

KerouacDog Bet (0,36)
chuckiem All-In (0,32)
KerouacDog Payback (0,04)

KerouacDog shows: Ks - Th (three of a kind, tens)
chuckiem shows: 8s - Td (three of a kind, tens, with ace and eight as kickers)

KerouacDog wins: EUR 2,33 (with three of a kind, tens)
Rake: EUR 0,10



but then i hit a bad streak, too many good players playing me, and i was too confident. lost 4 euros on 2 all-ins, so walked away down a euro... it comes and it goes.
KD

Beriac said:

I've found that at micro tables, bluffing is perilous. I feel like I get called down by ace high a lot more than I would elsewhere. I don't profess to know why or if it's anything more than just my own small sample size, but that's my experience...

Still, well played.

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My number 1 rule when playing the .02/.04 is don't bluff.... The donks call you down with ace high.. So I wait on hands that are Gaurenteed wins.. And I almost always get paid out huge on them..

However if I notice another guy multitabling a bunch of .02/.04 and playing the same rock solid game that I am playing, I might bluff him every once and a while.

If someone sat down at my .02/.04.. and was half decent at poker, they could read my perfectly.. (Because I make it so obvious) But the donks still call my monster hands...

I've been playing the same tables as Xife (though not as long), and I keep wondering whether some of these people are limit players, 'cause I see them calling all the way with just overcards, not even aces sometimes, maybe a QJ with no straight draw on the flop.

NineLions said:

I've been playing the same tables as Xife (though not as long), and I keep wondering whether some of these people are limit players, 'cause I see them calling all the way with just overcards, not even aces sometimes, maybe a QJ with no straight draw on the flop.

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now you mention it, that sounds like it could be right, I never thought of it. I'm not a limit player, so wouldnt know how to play like that. but yeah, ive had calls all the way to the river when Ive had a hand, only for the other guy to reveal overcards against the board.
Thanks for the insight.
KD

Either that, or maybe they've read limit books thinking that most of the concepts apply to no limit.

My limited (pun intended) experience with limit comes from trying the freerolls when the no limit wasn't scheduled until later. I found that sometimes they had a hard time chasing me out when I had overcards, especially if there were only 2 of us post flop because the other guy couldn't bet enough to get me to fold. I hit a full house on the river playing a suited QJ once because of that.

maybe i should play some more limit freerolls, just to see if i can pick up when there's a limit player at a NL table? maybe there's indications somwhere in his/her betting on specific hands?

Nine, your sig? you only played poker since july this year, or is that when you started online?

KerouacsDog said:

maybe i should play some more limit freerolls, just to see if i can pick up when there's a limit player at a NL table? maybe there's indications somwhere in his/her betting on specific hands?

Nine, your sig? you only played poker since july this year, or is that when you started online?

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I've only played maybe 3 limit freerolls, but it could be a useful learning experience. As I said, I found myself chasing just because I thought the pot odds were there and they couldn't bet enough to push me off. If you can put someone as a limit-thinking player, then that could be useful information. Or, they might just be your everyday, run of the mill donk.


And yes, I just started playing in July, so I know I've got a lot more learning to do.

NineLions said:

I've only played maybe 3 limit freerolls, but it could be a useful learning experience. As I said, I found myself chasing just because I thought the pot odds were there and they couldn't bet enough to push me off. If you can put someone as a limit-thinking player, then that could be useful information. Or, they might just be your everyday, run of the mill donk.


And yes, I just started playing in July, so I know I've got a lot more learning to do.

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thanks for the info bud.
as for being a newbie, well, we're all learning every day we play. ive been online for about a year and a half, and still discover something new all the time, most of it from here!
KD