Played wrong? 1-2 NL Live

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Just looking for some opinions and plays others might make in this spot.

I believe I made the mistake of not going all in on the turn. At least this is my assumption.

Last hand on a 1-2 table with 88 dollars behind....

New player sits down gets dealt in and calls preflop with no raises. 4 players to the flop.

Me button 8c, 9s
New player Small Blind (40$ behind)
Utg1
Utg2

All see the flop 10$ pot

Flop: Ks, 8d, Jh

Sb checks
Utg1 checks
Utg2 checks
Me Button checks

Turn: 8h

Sb bets 8
Utg1 folds
Utg2 folds
Me Button raises to 20 (20 into an 18$ pot, I instantly sensed this guy small blind had a flush draw and was semi-bluffing. Body language, demeanor gave it away. I felt there's no way a heart comes out, hopefully. An 8 was a possibility as well, but I felt he was bluffing with my 8)
Sb calls 12 more

River 5h

Sb bets 18 rest of stack.....

I knew instantly this guy made a flush and I was pissed off I let him draw for it. I felt I made the mistake of not shoving on the turn.

I call knowing I'll see a flush. He turns over 9-7 suited hearts for a flush.

What's your move on the way it plays out?
 
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This is a bit confusing basically your saying you had 88, but on your hand posting I can only account for 40 2(limp)+20 (raise)+18 (call off). If you only had 40 it's an easy shove, you want to at least 3x the raise so 24, since the pot is so small probably would raise 26-28. You put him on a flush draw and then you call, I really don't what to say.
 
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Preflop is a nightmare. Either top up to a full stack or leave.
 
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I bought in for 100 and had 88 left by the last hand. I stayed for two hours.

The new player who just bought in has 40

I made trips, on the turn. The other player was on a flush draw and raised the turn (Semi-bluff) to get a card for cheap. I re-raised to 20 on the turn and he called and made a flush on the river. I feel like my mistake was not going all-in for my remaining stack to not let him draw out. I don't think he would commit another 31$ of his money to see one card. The river.
 
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I think you need to ask your old boss for your job back and put some serious effort into improving your game.

Like, I'm not even being mean or sarcastic here, just honest. I hope you have rich parents that can help you out because you are in a tough spot and there is no way you can beat any game of poker on the planet over a large sample size with the lack of understanding of the game you have right now.

Get a job is my advice after reading this hand history.
 
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He had an inside straight draw as well, don't forget. Not sure a shove would have gotten rid of him on the turn. Be grateful he only bought in for $40. The real question is why did you call if you knew you were beaten?
 
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He had an inside straight draw as well, don't forget. Not sure a shove would have gotten rid of him on the turn. Be grateful he only bought in for $40. The real question is why did you call if you knew you were beaten?

It's a bad tendency i have. I figured if "he has it, he has it" that's kind of my attitude in those spots when I know I've made a mistake. As soon he put his left over 18 chips in though I figured "yeah you made your flush didn't you then i called". I have a very big problem of not letting go in those spots even though I know I'm beaten. It's an ego thing about me knowing what hand he had and i get angry with myself and call. Because I knew in my head I should of went all-in. I don't think he is calling 3/4 of his stack on a 13 outer. 1 in 4 but i don't know he very well would have. I just sensed a semi-bluff as soon as he bet.

I'm very good with picking up at what cards a person has in NL LIVE.

I folded K7 earlier against the guy who had K10. Right after he bet the turn (I felt had had two-pair, which I did too but with a low kicker.)

Board was: Kh, 3d, 8h, 2d

When he bet the turn I made the fold. As soon as the hand ended I said you had K10 huh. Was right. I'm actually right about 80% of the time about putting someone on a hand.

SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT HOW I PUT MY HAND HISTORY ON HERE WOW! SERIOUSLY LOL.
 
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I bought in for 100 and had 88 left by the last hand. I stayed for two hours.

The new player who just bought in has 40

It doesn't matter. You're playing short stack poker. When effective stacks are so small, limping 98o - even on the button - is going to be a losing play.

Also, IPlay is right. It's clear you don't even understand the fundamentals of the game. And the sad part is you don't even attempt to absorb the insane amount of knowledge and experience you have at your disposal on this site. Your hand histories are always the same: post hand, ask for advice, get advice, come to your own wrong conclusion, learn nothing.
 
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It's a bad tendency i have. I figured if "he has it, he has it" that's kind of my attitude in those spots when I know I've made a mistake. As soon he put his left over 18 chips in though I figured "yeah you made your flush didn't you then i called". I have a very big problem of not letting go in those spots even though I know I'm beaten. It's an ego thing about me knowing what hand he had and i get angry with myself and call. Because I knew in my head I should of went all-in. I don't think he is calling 3/4 of his stack on a 13 outer. 1 in 4 but i don't know he very well would have. I just sensed a semi-bluff as soon as he bet.

I'm very good with picking up at what cards a person has in NL LIVE.

I folded K7 earlier against the guy who had K10. Right after he bet the turn (I felt had had two-pair, which I did too but with a low kicker.)

Board was: Kh, 3d, 8h, 2d

When he bet the turn I made the fold. As soon as the hand ended I said you had K10 huh. Was right. I'm actually right about 80% of the time about putting someone on a hand.

SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT HOW I PUT MY HAND HISTORY ON HERE WOW! SERIOUSLY LOL.

Neither one of you had two pair in this hand.
 
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Lmao

Maybe that's why he seems unable to improve. All the hands he reviews are insanely inaccurate.
 
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Just looking for some opinions and plays others might make in this spot.

I believe I made the mistake of not going all in on the turn. At least this is my assumption.

Last hand on a 1-2 table with 88 dollars behind....

New player sits down gets dealt in and calls preflop with no raises. 4 players to the flop.

Me button 8c, 9s
New player Small Blind (40$ behind)
Utg1
Utg2

All see the flop 10$ pot

Flop: Ks, 8d, Jh

Sb checks
Utg1 checks
Utg2 checks
Me Button checks

Turn: 8h

Sb bets 8
Utg1 folds
Utg2 folds
Me Button raises to 20 (20 into an 18$ pot, I instantly sensed this guy small blind had a flush draw and was semi-bluffing. Body language, demeanor gave it away. I felt there's no way a heart comes out, hopefully. An 8 was a possibility as well, but I felt he was bluffing with my 8)
Sb calls 12 more

River 5h

Sb bets 18 rest of stack.....

I knew instantly this guy made a flush and I was pissed off I let him draw for it. I felt I made the mistake of not shoving on the turn.

I call knowing I'll see a flush. He turns over 9-7 suited hearts for a flush.

What's your move on the way it plays out?

On his stack size just ship turn. Doubtful he folds as, well, fish don't fold.. but you get your money in as a big fave. River is a call too, again due to awkward stack sizes and fishy villain, although its not a great spot. Preflop should be a fold though.
 
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Full hous was clossed on tern. After tern you must raised 3/4 of bank. If opp will call or reraise you must fold.

Yes, opp is fish, but fish can take you money with badbit. You must save your money vs fishes. Be careful

Look at this video about folds
Gl $ HF with folds ^_^
 
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On his stack size just ship turn. Doubtful he folds as, well, fish don't fold.. but you get your money in as a big fave. River is a call too, again due to awkward stack sizes and fishy villain, although its not a great spot. Preflop should be a fold though.

Thank you. Finally. An "Answer" Fold it before the flop. Which is what I normally would do. Unfortunately another player asked me if I'm going to play my button before I leave ........haha.

BTW, on that second hand I posted in which I called an opponents cards. The 2 should be another 3.
 
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Thank you. Finally. An "Answer" Fold it before the flop. Which is what I normally would do. Unfortunately another player asked me if I'm going to play my button before I leave ........haha.

BTW, on that second hand I posted in which I called an opponents cards. The 2 should be another 3.

Folding the hand after looking at it is playing your button... Plus if you've paid you blinds, you've paid for the orbit so I would always wait until I was UTG again. Even if you fold everything but the top 3% of hands, they are free and paid for. Always look and you never know, that last hand could be AA.
 
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OP is the live player that post his blinds and says "I'ma play my button before I leave"


Professional poker master, Aaron Soto ladies and gents.
 
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Folding the hand after looking at it is playing your button... Plus if you've paid you blinds, you've paid for the orbit so I would always wait until I was UTG again. Even if you fold everything but the top 3% of hands, they are free and paid for. Always look and you never know, that last hand could be AA.

Ya stupid brothers fault for wanting to leave right after I'm in the BB.



Suddenly I'm angry now ....
 
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It's hard to say because I don't the tendency of the players in the hand.

In my opinion on the button I would raise ($12-15) or fold. Never just flatting here because of the situation you got into in this hand of not being able to push a small stack off any draw or pair.

The reason I would raise is because a short stack "shouldn't" be calling 38% of his stack pre flop with a marginal hand and should three bet you all in or fold. If he happened to call here and checks the flop I'm putting him all in. I think the leak is in your pre flop decision.
 
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It's hard to say because I don't the tendency of the players in the hand.

In my opinion on the button I would raise ($12-15) or fold. Never just flatting here because of the situation you got into in this hand of not being able to push a small stack off any draw or pair.

The reason I would raise is because a short stack "shouldn't" be calling 38% of his stack pre flop with a marginal hand and should three bet you all in or fold. If he happened to call here and checks the flop I'm putting him all in. I think the leak is in your pre flop decision.

The opponent had just sat down and it was his first hand. You can't pick up on his "tendencies" I did however get a read off of him as soon as he semi-bluffed by body language in which case I was correct. "It turned out he was on a flush draw".

Yeah it wasn't exactly the smartest time to play 98 off. Then again, let us be realistic, 98 is not a terrible hand....the truth about it is that any hand can win in Hold"em. All depends what comes out on the community cards. I flopped an 8 and turned a set. I had a great hand........and was ahead. Unfortunately, when a bad beat happens there is not much you can do about it other then accept it. I was a good 4-1 odds of winning the hand going into the river I'm almost sure.

He didn't call 38% of his stack pre, he would of had to call a huge portion of his stack if I put him all in on the turn. In which case I should of done. He had a flush draw /w gut shot going into the river. (nothing great). He got lucky and that happens. At least from what I can recall from this hand.

Raising with 98 off on the button in a 4 way pot would make no sense what so ever. This is 1-2. All I would be doing is juicing the pot. Chances are I'm getting called by all the previous callers/bettors. I don't like raising unless it is for a very justified reason. I don't raise on the button "just to raise on the button".....I don't play like that. It needs to make sense and have a good reason to do so.
 
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Like I said depending on the other players in the hand I raise or fold. Makes zero sense to call and hope to hit a hand. Not a good habit to get in if you plan to move up in stakes.

I never raise the button just to raise it. There is a method behind it that I will let you figure out. I can't justify calling pre flop.

The 38% is what I'm saying he would have had to call if you chose to bet $15 if you chose that line. Makes it a tougher decision for him.

What I'm saying is in the end weather you raised and he called or played the hand the way you did it was going to cost you the same amount $40. Why not try to eliminate some if not all of the variance when choosing to play a marginal hand.

A passive aggressive approach will cause more bad beats than an aggressive approach.
 
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Just looking for some opinions and plays others might make in this spot.

I believe I made the mistake of not going all in on the turn. At least this is my assumption.

Last hand on a 1-2 table with 88 dollars behind....

New player sits down gets dealt in and calls preflop with no raises. 4 players to the flop.

Me button 8c, 9s
New player Small Blind (40$ behind)
Utg1
Utg2

All see the flop 10$ pot

Flop: Ks, 8d, Jh

Sb checks
Utg1 checks
Utg2 checks
Me Button checks

Turn: 8h

Sb bets 8
Utg1 folds
Utg2 folds
Me Button raises to 20 (20 into an 18$ pot, I instantly sensed this guy small blind had a flush draw and was semi-bluffing. Body language, demeanor gave it away. I felt there's no way a heart comes out, hopefully. An 8 was a possibility as well, but I felt he was bluffing with my 8)
Sb calls 12 more

River 5h

Sb bets 18 rest of stack.....

I knew instantly this guy made a flush and I was pissed off I let him draw for it. I felt I made the mistake of not shoving on the turn.

I call knowing I'll see a flush. He turns over 9-7 suited hearts for a flush.

What's your move on the way it plays out?


I'm not sure I understand here. 4 see the pot, I assume everyone limps, but there's 10 in the pot? Is there an ante? How many are seated at the table? That's my first question.

As played fold pre. 98o in a 4 way pot is a fast fold.

Second, you should be full stacked at all times or at least close. Being under 50bb puts you in a bad spot when playing against a full stack because it puts you in marginal shove or fold situations. I know new guy bought in for 20bb but that doesn't matter.
 
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I'm not sure I understand here. 4 see the pot, I assume everyone limps, but there's 10 in the pot? Is there an ante? How many are seated at the table? That's my first question.



As played fold pre. 98o in a 4 way pot is a fast fold.



Second, you should be full stacked at all times or at least close. Being under 50bb puts you in a bad spot when playing against a full stack because it puts you in marginal shove or fold situations. I know new guy bought in for 20bb but that doesn't matter.


I agree it's a fast fold. I was just trying to think of a situation that I would and how I would play the hand. If for some reason I did but I think 99% of the time I'm folding as well..
 
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Like I said depending on the other players in the hand I raise or fold. Makes zero sense to call and hope to hit a hand. Not a good habit to get in if you plan to move up in stakes.
98o is a perfect hand to overlimp OTB with 2 limpers before you and an overall passive table.

This is 1/2 live, not online.
If you're folding a speculative hand OTB on a passive table for 1BB, then you're a nit.

I'll overlimp this 100% of the time. Even with a shorter stack.
Except that I wouldn't have a shorter stack in this spot.

I'm not sure I understand here. 4 see the pot, I assume everyone limps, but there's 10 in the pot? Is there an ante? How many are seated at the table? That's my first question.
I don't see any mention of the BB, so I assume that guy just checked, and Aaron forgot to include him.

As played fold pre. 98o in a 4 way pot is a fast fold.
You too?
For 1BB OTB, are you serious???
It's a snap-call in my book.

Second, you should be full stacked at all times or at least close. Being under 50bb puts you in a bad spot when playing against a full stack because it puts you in marginal shove or fold situations. I know new guy bought in for 20bb but that doesn't matter.
^ This, though. Table max or bust.



Hand as played: you need to raise the turn larger. You practically gave him the correct odds to draw (especially since he also has a gutshot to a straight and since you gave him implied odds by calling the river when he hit).

If you're so sure he had a made flush, why did you call the river???
That's 9bb of spew - for a crushing player that's nearly 100 hands of winrate, which live means what? Two hours?

If you had put those 18bb in on the turn instead, he wouldn't have had the odds to draw. If he still drew facing an all-in, you'd have won in the long run (even if you lost this particular hand).
 
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