PL25 FR: Flopped set OOP against unknown

Hand #2 of my journey to 10k. Zero information on villain. So, how do we best extract in this hand?

pokerstars GAME #19869090665: HOLD'EM POT LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2008/08/24 - 17:20:05 (ET)
Table 'Anastasia' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: ALjoza ($23.60 in chips)
Seat 2: Savpokr ($27.45 in chips)
Seat 3: azrikam ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: westw ($31 in chips)
Seat 5: barbariban ($30 in chips)
Seat 6: bluff Boemi ($12.35 in chips)
Seat 7: martimax ($21.90 in chips)
Seat 8: BufordDalt ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 9: jimbeanoc ($22.55 in chips)
Savpokr: posts small blind $0.10
azrikam: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to azrikam [Js] [Jh]
westw: folds
barbariban: raises $0.50 to $0.75
Bluff Boemi: folds
martimax: folds
BufordDalt: folds
jimbeanoc: folds
ALjoza: calls $0.75
Savpokr: folds
azrikam: raises $2.25 to $3
barbariban: calls $2.25
ALjoza: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ks] [6h] [Jd]

Bet like 6$ if he checks, put him all in if he bets... not rocket science...

slowplaying makes no sense here. If he has a K you likely to get his stack, and if he does not you're likely to get nothing anyway. Just bet it.

Pot limit, so you do not want to check here. You need to bet a standard c-bet or slightly larger (~$5) and hope he has AK or KQ.

You are out of position. You need to set it up so you can get your whole stack in if he calls. If he folds you probably wouldn't get much from him on later streets.

bigjoker66 said:

Pot limit, so you do not want to check here.

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The fact it's pot limit is a bit irrelevant here as it was 3bet preflop and you only need to pot two streets to get to play for stacks.

c9h13no3 said:

Bet like 6$ if he checks, put him all in if he bets... not rocket science...

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I need some humour in my day today, and this made me laff .

Potting on every street is fine. Not suire if any chk raise will be possible so get value now imo.

HH still to come, but I'll let you know that I did have position, and he led out with a $2 bet.

If he were an extremely tight player, I would put him on a wired pair of K's and fold.

If I get beyond the wired K's thing, I hafta believe that the pot is mine, and play it that way.

If he plays every hand, and comes out hard every time. I would put him on a K and figure he put in the "please raise" raise, in an effort to getta raise from someone. Give him one card with a call and a big raise on the turn. Hoping that a Q-T comes off and he thinks I'm lighting up on that card.

That said. Pot limit on line appears to be a pissing contest. If that's the way the table has been going then raise on every street cuz they will all call for 3 streets at least anyway.

This is a do or die type of hand. A ghosted set with boat possibilities.

I have no idea weather this goes along with general practice, but that's how I would play it.

Of course, I would prolly loose to wired K's.

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BelgoSuisse said:

The fact it's pot limit is a bit irrelevant here as it was 3bet preflop and you only need to pot two streets to get to play for stacks.

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True but a c-betting is expected here by most opponents. this way you can check the turn and give him the opportunity to bluff/think he has the best hand on the turn.

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PokerVic said:

azrikam: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to azrikam J♠ J♥

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PokerVic said:

HH still to come, but I'll let you know that I did have position, and he led out with a $2 bet.

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how do you have position from the BB? Are we looking at the same hand?

bigjoker66 said:

how do you have position from the BB? Are we looking at the same hand?

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Whoops. My mistake. I actually checked OOP, and he bet $2.

PokerVic said:

Whoops. My mistake. I actually checked OOP, and he bet $2.

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I hate, HATE, HATE these spots! We're the preflop raiser, no preflop 3-BETTOR. We've shown boatloads of strength preflop, and now we check (when a c-bet is fully expected of us), and he's bet a tiny amount. We have two options:

1) Call, and play a tiny pot (wtf, this is terrible).
2) Raise, and announce to the world that our hand is fcukin' Supafly TNT

None of these options look good. Since villain is likely terrible, I go with option #2, but FFS lead the freakin' flop.

Here's the end of the hand. I chose this one because I'm a staunch opponent of slow-playing, except in very specific circumstances. But here, with my hand as strong as it was, and the board as it was, I chose to give the villain a free card.

*** FLOP *** [Ks] [6h] [Jd]
azrikam: checks
barbariban: bets $2
azrikam: calls $2
*** TURN *** [Ks 6h Jd] [7c]
azrikam: bets $6
barbariban: raises $6 to $12
azrikam: raises $8 to $20 and is all-in
barbariban: calls $8
*** RIVER *** [Ks 6h Jd 7c] [2c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
azrikam: shows [Js] [Jh] (three of a kind, Jacks)
barbariban: shows [7d] [7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
azrikam collected $48.35 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.85 | Rake $2.50
Board [Ks 6h Jd 7c 2c]
Seat 1: ALjoza (button) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Savpokr (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: azrikam (big blind) showed [Js] [Jh] and won ($48.35) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 4: westw folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: barbariban showed [7d] [7h] and lost with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 6: Bluff Boemi folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: martimax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: BufordDalt folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: jimbeanoc folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Obviously, in this case, the turn gave villain just the right card for me to get paid off. Had the 7 not come, I still probably got $2 more out of the villain that I would not have if I had c-bet. But, this is results-oriented thinking, and I agree that I'm probably losing money with this play in most hands.

unfortunately this is VERY results oriented playing. You by all means should have bet the flop. He's shown very big strength before the flop with a raise, with people behind him, then a call of a reraise. You almost have to assume that he's got AA, KK, QQ AK or KQ suited. He raised early position...

Just a poorly played hand IMO...good pot takedown though.