Over Pair to an ugly board

[zachvac]

pokerstars Game #13595506013: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/12/01 - 23:57:57 (ET)
Table 'Seraphina II' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Garantson ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 2: Craigyon ($34.25 in chips)
Seat 3: ThudJr ($14.30 in chips)
Seat 5: farmer74 ($65.40 in chips)
Seat 6: zachvac ($25.70 in chips)
Seat 7: hopandgator ($29.90 in chips)
Seat 8: sandmandxp ($12.40 in chips)
Seat 9: Claedeus ($9.50 in chips)
Craigyon: posts small blind $0.10
ThudJr: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to zachvac [Ks Kh]
farmer74: raises $0.50 to $0.75
zachvac: raises $1.25 to $2
hopandgator: folds
sandmandxp: folds
Claedeus: folds
Garantson: folds
Craigyon: folds
ThudJr: folds
farmer74: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Qs 8s 8c]
farmer74: checks
zachvac: bets $2.50
farmer74: calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [Qs 8s 8c] [Qh]
farmer74: checks
zachvac: bets $3
farmer74: calls $3
*** RIVER *** [Qs 8s 8c Qh] [6c]
farmer74: bets $6
zachvac: ???

 

[arahel_jazz]

I'm going to take a shot at this one... let's see if I do it right.
Cards that can beat you: Any Q, any 8, any two suited spades.

I would put farmer74 on a suited Ace with a weaker (10, J?) kicker. I don't think he has the boat. He may have the nut flush, but because you didn't bet harder on the turn, he doesn't put you on a boat. I think his river bet is there to entice you to call.

With no reads given, you are calling for less than half the pot.

I would call. (I would probably lose too).

 

[zachvac]

there's no flush, 2 clubs and 2 spades, basically any Q, any 8, or pocket 6s has me beat.

 

[arahel_jazz]

there's no flush, 2 clubs and 2 spades, basically any Q, any 8, or pocket 6s has me beat.

Whoops, shoulda put my reading glasses on.

I would still call.

 

[zachvac]

Well I did end up making the call and winning the pot, as he flipped over 22 (playing the board). I'm still not sure it was a good call though. The check-call on the turn and then leading out on the river looked a lot like a slow-played Q, not wanting to check the river risking me checking behind (which I would have done in this situation). I'm not sure why I called, I'm just not sure if it was a good call.

 

[tenbob]

Given the river bet size i call here lots without reads. Expect to win the pot just over 50% of the time.

 

[ChuckTs]

I'm still not sure it was a good call though. The check-call on the turn and then leading out on the river looked a lot like a slow-played Q

It looks more like a blocking bet or bluff to me. Odd bet for sure, but I agree with the call. I think occasionally you'll see odd pairs here and ace high as well. Reads help in this spot.