Omaha lessons 2: Put me on a hand

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What would it take for you (playing as villain/Donbolo) to call my river bet?

pokerstars Game #12024143414: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2007/09/12 - 20:30:14 (ET)
Table 'Sabine' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Stratosonic ($6.62 in chips)
Seat 2: SacramentoCA ($10 in chips)
Seat 3: Donboblo ($8.78 in chips)
Seat 4: Curly H ($5.65 in chips)
Seat 5: teet49 ($5.39 in chips)
Seat 6: BabyHumvee ($10 in chips)
Donboblo: posts small blind $0.02
Curly H: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BabyHumvee [????]
teet49: calls $0.05
BabyHumvee: calls $0.05
Stratosonic: calls $0.05
SacramentoCA: folds
Donboblo: calls $0.03
Curly H: checks
*** FLOP *** :jd4: :8d4: :ks4:
Donboblo: bets $0.25
Curly H: folds
teet49: folds
BabyHumvee: raises $0.35 to $0.60
Stratosonic: folds
Donboblo: calls $0.35
*** TURN *** :jd4: :8d4: :ks4: :9d4:
Donboblo: bets $1.40
BabyHumvee: calls $1.40
*** RIVER *** :jd4: :8d4: :ks4: :9d4: :10s4:
Donboblo: bets $1.55
BabyHumvee: raises $5.20 to $6.75
Donboblo: calls $5.18 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BabyHumvee: shows [????]
 
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depends on your image also.. that matters quite a bit...
 
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Tight (for omaha) and aggressive on draws (to an observant player anyway).

How high of a flush?
 
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My guess:
Donboblo has QT offsuit for a King high straight,
BabyHumvee should call with any flush or Ace high straight or King high straight

oh wait, misread the question, at least a Q high flush but probably still lose to the ace high flush.
 
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I'll take a stab, just getting into Omaha so I'll likely flub this but here goes . . .

If your table image is tight, I'm not calling this without at minimum a straight flush, preferably Queen high (getting into hand I would have had to have something like Qd10dAX). Your limp into the pot is worrisome, of course so is my lack of a preflop raise. I just worry about stuff like that. Thinking I should give you credit for a high flush.

If you play more loosely, I'd loosen my calling requirements considerably.
 
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if anyone's going to call this with a Q high flush, you might as well call with a smaller flush too (p.s., don't actually call with either). 5 players saw a flop with a flush draw on it in OMAHA. a Q high flush is only beating a bluff (if you're skoldpadda and you're shoving a J high flush on this river, yes, you're actually turning your hand into a bluff)

you probably have the nut flush, if not a straight flush. the fact that you didn't raise the turn lends some to the likelihood that you'd have the straight flush, though the A high flush is much more likely as far as probability goes
 
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I'm picking you've got the straight flush, and villain has the ace-high flush.

In this situation, as the villain if I'm holding the ace-high flush and I get beat by the straight flush... I dunno, there's just some hands where you're supposed to lose all your money I guess. I wouldn't be calling with anything less than the ace-high flush though.
 
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If I have the ace high flush, I'm definitely raising his turn bet.
 
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If I have the ace high flush, I'm definitely raising his turn bet.

you definitely should, i just didn't know for sure if you would. so in that case, you have the straight flush. IMO that's the only hand that played this optimally (QT of diamonds most likely given your flop raise)
 
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*** SHOW DOWN ***
BabyHumvee: shows :qc4: :10d4: :5h4: :qd4: (a straight flush, Eight to Queen)
Donboblo: mucks hand
BabyHumvee collected $16.86 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $17.71 | Rake $0.85
Board [Jd 8d Ks 9d Ts]
Seat 1: Stratosonic folded on the Flop
Seat 2: SacramentoCA (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Donboblo (small blind) mucked :js4: :qh4: :kd4: :3d4:

If I'm the villain, I think I can get away from this hand after the raise all-in on the river. Other thoughts on villain's play?
 
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villain should definitely fold as K high flush is still only beating a bluff. given how the hand played out, it's pretty impossible to think you're bluffing

but it's .02/.05 and people don't know how to play omaha, so i wouldnt expect him to fold. nh
 
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Wow - he called with just the king high flush? Ballsy. Stupid, but ballsy.

At least I was right about you holding the straight flush

:elefant:
 
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I think villain should 4 bet the flop and fold the river to my raise or if he's intent on showing the hand down, check call the river. I like his bet on the river since it looks like a value bet for an ace high flush (which is what I thought he had when he bet that much), but he has to fold to my raise. Otherwise, I think he played it okay. I like his turn bet. If I had raised him on the turn I think he gets off much cheaper and folds the river more readily to my raise.
 
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