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FlopBoy is 54/13/5
Absurde is 12/14/0

Were in the SB, the dealer limped and the BB is shortstacked. Do we Fold, Call or Raise?

pokerstars Game #10450669964: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2007/06/15 - 16:29:54 (ET)
Table 'Corduba III' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: FLOPBOY21376 ($47.60 in chips)
Seat 2: HuGaDaS ($49.25 in chips)
Seat 3: mischman ($73.80 in chips)
Seat 4: Absurde ($5 in chips)
Seat 5: SalomXwave9 ($25.60 in chips)
Seat 6: snyder02 ($46.80 in chips)
Seat 7: MSD88 ($24.50 in chips)
Seat 8: vulgarian1 ($49.10 in chips)
Seat 9: PDJ3777 ($53.45 in chips)
mischman: posts small blind $0.25
Absurde: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mischman [Ah 5c]
SalomXwave9: folds
snyder02: folds
MSD88: folds
vulgarian1: folds
SalomXwave9 is sitting out
PDJ3777: folds
FLOPBOY21376: calls $0.50
HuGaDaS: folds
mischman:
 
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id just fold A5 plays horrible 1st to act and the limping range on the button at this limit contains Ax that beats you. No reason to get trapped here.

calling is out of question, raising is a little better but think folding is best option.
 
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Limping from the small blind with an Ace when the CO which has a 50 VP$IP limped, is out of the question?
 
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I limp this. Cheapest look in town. I would then fold to anything unless it was a nice hit on the flop. I would not pursue an Axx flop aggressively unless it was A23 or such. Chance of being outkicked too big. I might call limps post flop, depends on reads.

This is one of those pedantic hands we all endure between the really interesting ones.
 
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Limping from the small blind with an Ace when the CO which has a 50 VP$IP limped, is out of the question?

limping small blinds is a huge hole in a lot of peoples game, and it is one of the biggest money bleeds in this game. I mean what flop are you wishing to hit besides wheel? even 2 pair isnt that great because there will be a over card out. If flop comes down like A59 what are you going to do?

I just dont see a reason to put yourself in that tough spot, If you 3 or 4 bet here I would be like ok you sensed weakness and attacked but calling is just not a good play at all.
 
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limping small blinds is a huge hole in a lot of peoples game, and it is one of the biggest money bleeds in this game. I mean what flop are you wishing to hit besides wheel? even 2 pair isnt that great because there will be a over card out. If flop comes down like A59 what are you going to do?

I just dont see a reason to put yourself in that tough spot, If you 3 or 4 bet here I would be like ok you sensed weakness and attacked but calling is just not a good play at all.

5:1 pot odds too.

A5 on a A95 Flop with a shortstacked BB and the CO in pot, try to get every single chip in the pot.
 
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5:1 pot odds too.

A5 on a A95 Flop with a shortstacked BB and the CO in pot, try to get every single chip in the pot.

even with those pot odds you are not going to flop enough good flops to make up for times you miss, its just bleeding money. Run it through pokerstove.


your equity in hand is around 40% against random hands.

you are right about the flop though your equity jumps to 80%, didnt think it would be that high so yea get it all in.


Hand 0: 40.685% 38.98% 01.71% 5136294358 224742763.00 { A5o }
Hand 1: 24.014% 23.05% 00.97% 3036925509 127468560.50 { random }
Hand 2: 35.301% 33.44% 01.87% 4405339720 246287291.50 { random }

I think you need at least 50% equity to make this limp from SB. The thing is even if you happen to hit a big flop you are not going to get paid off here seeing as there is like no money in pot why would someone want to fight for that little bit of money?
 
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I definitely raise 4-5 times the BB to see where I am. If I get called and dont flop a monster such as a wheel or a set with the 5s, even 2 pair, I fold. I may even try to make a play on the flop if called and I get a garbage flop such as 6-4-9, but if I get called there its just a check/fold to river
 
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I definitely raise 4-5 times the BB to see where I am. If I get called and dont flop a monster such as a wheel or a set with the 5s, even 2 pair, I fold. I may even try to make a play on the flop if called and I get a garbage flop such as 6-4-9, but if I get called there its just a check/fold to river


I can agree with this line.
 
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I'll raise, continuation bet (if I hit any part of it) the pot size once in a while with any two cards against a 50VP$IP. Kind of depends on how many hands you have against him and your table image. But, this is a profitable play. Maniac/Aggressives do not like someone to show aggression first. Sometimes it isn't out of the question to even repop if villain tries to reraise you.

You must be very careful that the Big Blind doesn't get involved though.
 
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If you're going to play with this hand, I would raise about $3. This will at least tell you that the lmiper actually has something. The big blind will either go all in or fold. I can't see the big blind just calling which would be more than half his stack. The limper probably wanted to call since everyone folded behind him. If he calls, be very careful how you bet on the flop. You may have more than him but he can hurt your chipstack.
 
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even with those pot odds you are not going to flop enough good flops to make up for times you miss, its just bleeding money. Run it through pokerstove.


your equity in hand is around 40% against random hands.

you are right about the flop though your equity jumps to 80%, didnt think it would be that high so yea get it all in.


Hand 0: 40.685% 38.98% 01.71% 5136294358 224742763.00 { A5o }
Hand 1: 24.014% 23.05% 00.97% 3036925509 127468560.50 { random }
Hand 2: 35.301% 33.44% 01.87% 4405339720 246287291.50 { random }

I think you need at least 50% equity to make this limp from SB. The thing is even if you happen to hit a big flop you are not going to get paid off here seeing as there is like no money in pot why would someone want to fight for that little bit of money?

50% equity to limp? If he is 40% that is good enough to raise, since that is more than the 33.33% that would be the fair share with three people. However, we need to consider that the co's hand is NOT random, even though he sees 50% of flops.

Raise/continuation bet is a fine line, so is fold. Call and lead depending on flop texture maybe, but call and hope to hit cards (check fold the miss) is just terrible.
 
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50% equity to limp? If he is 40% that is good enough to raise, since that is more than the 33.33% that would be the fair share with three people. However, we need to consider that the co's hand is NOT random, even though he sees 50% of flops.

Raise/continuation bet is a fine line, so is fold. Call and lead depending on flop texture maybe, but call and hope to hit cards (check fold the miss) is just terrible.


yea I said I wouldn't mind raising this hand but hate limping here, I don't think there are many hands im willing to limp from SB though. suited connectors maybe.
 
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Raise this, be the aggressor. remember, aggressive poker is winning poker.
You also don't want the BB in this hand, you have been tutored in the rules of aggression I'm assuming, and this is why you have become a better player so don't let down your teacher, raise this.
 
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