No reads 3rd hand second played at table

fulltiltpoker Game #2900817921: Table Holly Grove - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:51:23 ET - 2007/07/09
Seat 1: cardsman1992 ($35.50)
Seat 2: devkey ($19.80)
Seat 3: fully_irritated ($12.15)
Seat 4: hateful ($38.40)
Seat 5: TheHurricAAne ($34.90)
Seat 6: uctrackster ($12.05)
Seat 7: LoDog33 ($24.25)
Seat 8: snake5252 ($15.05)
Seat 9: super_bebop ($17.60)
LoDog33 posts the small blind of $0.10
snake5252 posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LoDog33 [Jd Ad]
super_bebop calls $0.25
cardsman1992 folds
devkey folds
fully_irritated folds
hateful folds
TheHurricAAne folds
uctrackster folds
LoDog33 raises to $1 was going to raise to 1.25 but didnt
snake5252 folds
super_bebop raises to $2.50

LoDog?

Fold. You'll be out of position for the rest of the hand, and his UTG limp + please-call-me reraise is announcing AA or KK. I don't see any reason to disbelieve him. Calling just puts you in an awful situation

combuboom said:

Fold. You'll be out of position for the rest of the hand, and his UTG limp + please-call-me reraise is announcing AA or KK. I don't see any reason to disbelieve him. Calling just puts you in an awful situation

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^^^
That and you are only holding AJ.

What can you realisitically flop (other than a flush) that will allow you to call? If you pair your Ace on the flop and he bets, do you call?? What if you pair your J and he bets, do you call that???

I agree, easy fold.

Limp reraising seems to be the flavour of the month and people are doing it to me a lot.

I have no reads so I guess I should respect the raise but its happening way too much. As much of reason as anything for making the call was to see what these sons of bitches are making this play with.


*** FLOP *** [2d Jh 6s]

So you caught a piece, now what, lead/block bet? Check/call? Check/raise?

If he's only limp/reraising w/AA/KK/QQ/JJ, then you're in trouble, but if he does this with AK or maybe even AQ, check/raise might tell you where you're at.


On the other hand, I don't know about FTP, but on Stars some players seem to think check raise just means "let's agree to put more money in the pot", not "I've got a hand"

Lo-Dog said:

Limp reraising seems to be the flavour of the month and people are doing it to me a lot.

I have no reads so I guess I should respect the raise but its happening way too much. As much of reason as anything for making the call was to see what these sons of bitches are making this play with.


*** FLOP *** [2d Jh 6s]

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With only the third hand in you can't assume this person is like the rest of the limp-re-raisers until you can confirm that by seeing him turn cards over. Don't bring frustrations with prior players actions into a new table.

On to the hand:
ACKACKAKCACK!!!!

This looks like trouble. It's going to cost even more to get away from this hand now! You do have a back door flush as well as TPTK, but I think with a limp re-raise you have to think there is a good possibility you are behind here.

I think we want to let him know that we have caught a piece of the flop, yet try to control the pot size here. With $5.25 in the pot already, it's going to be really hard to do both. I would lead out for about $3.50 and fold to a raise.

****Although, many of the donks at this level are habitiual min raisers. If this person is one of them, you can bet $1 and he will re-raise, but it would only be a min-raise, keeping the betting for the round down to $2. You obv don't know that yet, but it is an effective strategy against that style of player)

Lead for like 2-3 bucks, and fold to a reraise. That'll give you the same info as a check-raise, but will cost less.

He most probably won't reraise with AK/AQ, so if he does, you can be sure he's got something that beats your TPTK.

Ok I figure I will lead out so I don't give him the chance to bluff me and I can get out fairly cheap if reraised.

LoDog33 bets $2.50
super_bebop calls $2.50
*** TURN *** [2d Jh 6s] [Jc]

Nice turn of events, from wondering how many chips I am going to spew on this hand to how much I can rake in.

Whats the play now.

Nice catch Mr. Donkfish loooooool

I am now putting the villain on AK with his call on the flop. We want to induce a bet here so there are 2 options.

1) Check the turn - if he has any hand at all, he will bet out thinking you have crap and he will take a shot at the pot, which may be a little or it may be a lot. He just might check to take a free card if he is playing AK.

2) lead out for about $2.50 again. This is a typical donk play saying "I don't have shit but the pot is big and I think betting the same amount on this street as I did on the last street will make you fold even though you now have even better pot odds now than you did last street." These plays usually induce a raise by anyone with a real hand.

Either way we want to show weakness here to not scare the little fishy away!

It's turned into a great board luckily. No draws at all to worry about really unless he has a boat which I think is pretty unlikely. With ~$10 in the pot we want to take a trip to value town. I bet around $3.50-4.00

I definitely bet now. Don't give him the chance to check behind fearing you have the J. Although there's a good chance all the money's going in either way. Just don't make the bet horribly scary, I'd go for around $4

Ok so now that I got the lucky turn and don't have to worry about being behind I figure to make a weak please fold looking bet.

LoDog33 has 15 seconds left to act
LoDog33 bets $3
super_bebop calls $3
*** RIVER *** [2d Jh 6s Jc] [4h]

What do we think villian has and what to do on the river?

Set off the fire alarm and steal his money when he flees the building.

With ~$16 in the pot and a fairly passive opponent I bet $8-9 and don't expect to be called.

I'd just bet to put him all in, it's like $9-$10. A big pair, which is what his hand looks most like, will have a hard time folding. If he was goofing around or chasing overcards or something, he's probably not going to call any smaller bet anyway

combuboom said:

I'd just bet to put him all in, it's like $9-$10. A big pair, which is what his hand looks most like, will have a hard time folding. If he was goofing around or chasing overcards or something, he's probably not going to call any smaller bet anyway

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Just what I was thinking. ^^

LoDog33 has 15 seconds left to act
LoDog33 bets $10
super_bebop calls $9.60, and is all in
Uncalled bet of $0.40 returned to LoDog33
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LoDog33 shows [Jd Ad] three of a kind, Jacks
super_bebop mucks
LoDog33 wins the pot ($33.70) with three of a kind, Jacks
super_bebop is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $35.45 | Rake $1.75
Board: [2d Jh 6s Jc 4h]
Seat 1: cardsman1992 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: devkey didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: fully_irritated didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: hateful didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: TheHurricAAne didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: uctrackster (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: LoDog33 (small blind) showed [Jd Ad] and won ($33.70) with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 8: snake5252 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: super_bebop mucked [Qc Qs] - two pair, Queens and Jacks

Soooo good thing I caught the J on the turn although I would have folded to a reraise on the flop.

What do we think of the villians play? Should he have reraised the flop?

Well, I have to say try to get some more money in the pot. I suggest he will either call or fold no matter the bet size (depending on whether he was drawing or had a made hand), so get him in for ALMOST his whole stack. $8 should do it. He prob won't call off his entire stack but won't let this go getting 3:1 calling unless he only had AK (or something similar.)

Is this were you tell us he limp re-raised with 44???

Well, he's got the same problem I do; folding big pairs after showing strength preflop.

I dunno about limp/reraising QQ though; I'd want make sure I get the chance to show strength preflop, maybe chase some weak Aces or Ks that would limp, and limping risks no chance to show strength. His repopping after your raise is fine by me.

ChuckTs said:

Lead for like 2-3 bucks, and fold to a reraise. That'll give you the same info as a check-raise, but will cost less.

He most probably won't reraise with AK/AQ, so if he does, you can be sure he's got something that beats your TPTK.

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This is why villain needs to re-raise this flop. His flat call is a bit passive and leads him into trouble. Would you have folded to a flop re-raise?

I'd aslo make notes about this guy if you ever play him again. Tight aggressive pre-flop, passive post flop. Value bet him to death.