NL10: Nut flush + overs

ajrobin

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Is this a flop where i should be looking to get as many chips in as possible, or should i be slowing down, flat calling and seeing a turn?

MP2: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10.25 (102.5 bb)
CO: $23 (230 bb)
BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
SB: $9.75 (97.5 bb)
BB: $11.55 (115.5 bb)
UTG: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
UTG+1: $9.70 (97 bb)
MP1: $15.85 (158.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with A
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K
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2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) J
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T
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5
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(2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $4
 
dsvw56

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Shove, thanks for the monies. You have at worst like 45% equity vs. his range here (That'd be like a range consisting of nothing but sets and overpairs) so get the money in and roll around in all the Sklansky Bucks when you brick your monster draw vs. like QJ.

Speaking of that, does anyone know of any stores that take Sklansky Bucks? I seem to have a ridiculous amount of them lying around lately . . .
 
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So, you have to figure, in the worst case your opponent has trips.

So, the absolute worst you are looking at is your opponent is playing pocket Jacks. I don't believe that is unreasonable based upon the betting. If he has the Jack of spades, reducing your odds of catching the flush, you are looking at being 32.83% to win.

Also, if my calculation is correct, there is $8 currently in the pot, and you would have to call an additional $2, meaning you are getting 1:5 pot odds. So, based upon that, you are correct to call. Whether you should raise and try to push him out or call would need to be based upon observations on this particular player's style.

Two pair places you at a smaller disadvantage. However, J10 is the only reasonable hand to have two pair on based upon betting. This situation places you at 42.22% to win.

Any other situation places you at an advantage.

Personally, I think I would call the bet and see what comes on the turn. You then get to act first anyway, so you can call-bet instead of a raise.
 
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Calling is horrible, imo. Our equity plummets on the turn if we brick. A shove on the flop is unexploitable, take advantage of it.
 
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yep shove straight over the top, we have a minimum of 12 outs, insta shove even agaisnt the nittiest of nits
 
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yea auto shove. you have nut FD, gutshot, and overs. You are pretty much getting pot odds to shove this even if villain has a set, and this is far more often qq/kk/kq/aj/maybe other FDs (hard to see many hands that would hit fds here tho at NL10) blah blah etc etc and you are ahead of all of these hands.

anyways calling is terrible. if you brick the turn, it becomes a very hard decision because your equity is all of a sudden shot to hell. the shove isn't for fold equity, because you have none, it is to get the money in when you are way ahead of villain's range.
 
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Meh, im so results orientated. This happened twice today, and both times ive shoved and lost. I suppose i was just doubting my actions.

Anyway heres how it went down:



MP2: $10 (100 bb)
Hero (MP3): $10.25 (102.5 bb)
CO: $23 (230 bb)
BTN: $10.10 (101 bb)
SB: $9.75 (97.5 bb)
BB: $11.55 (115.5 bb)
UTG: $1.85 (18.5 bb)
UTG+1: $9.70 (97 bb)
MP1: $15.85 (158.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is MP3 with A:spade: K:spade:
2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 4 folds, MP1 calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.15) J:heart: T:spade: 5:spade: (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets $2, MP1 raises to $4, Hero raises to $9.25 and is all-in, MP1 calls $5.25

Turn: ($20.65) A:heart: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($20.65) 4:club: (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $20.65 pot ($1 rake)

MP1 showed J:diamond: J:club: (three of a kind, Jacks) and won $19.65 ($9.40 net)
Hero mucked A:spade: K:spade: (a pair of Aces) and lost (-$10.25 net)
 
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I thought he might have had the set there. I agree with everyone else here about the shove on the raise, but i would just like to point out that i don't think you should have bet the flop with draws. If he checks to you let him give you a free card always, your hand can only get better
 
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Big hand = big pot, and ive got a bigish hand so i want to build the pot. Im pretty sure betting this is 100% standard, and not to do so would be as throwing away possible money. Also checking leaves little or no fold equity on the turn unless a real scare card comes i.e. a spade, in which we dont wont villian to fold, we want him to pay.

Just my 2c but im betting this probably 85-90% of the time
 
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85-90%, more like 100% of the time. You have a huge hand in terms of equity, you want to get as much money in on flop as possible
 
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