NL10 KK Brings Possible Turn Flush

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chink44

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I have no reads or numbers on my opponent here because I just had sat down a few hands ago. I sort of overbet a tiny bit on the flop to try and push people off the potential flush draw here, and feel that if I get check raised that I should just lay this down, playing against all those opponents. But I get one caller to the turn, which seemingly looks like a FD IMO. Or could this guy have just called pre with something like JJ or 88/99. On the turn I have really not a clue on what to do. If I come out betting big, I am committed to calling and I dont even have the king of diamonds. If I bet small this guy could sense weakness and raise, which would push me off the pot. And if I just check and a diamond falls on the river Im pretty screwed I think. Also, he could maybe sense weakness on the river if I just check here on the turn and get screwed if he bets the river.

So my question is, should I be betting this turn, or just checking behind because it seems whatever he calls with on the turn after just calling the flop will be pretty strong. And I am checking the turn, what is my river attack if he bets.

bodog No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($9.70)
Button ($12.43)
SB ($3.99)
BB ($10.05)
UTG ($6.72)
UTG+1 ($9.35)
MP1 ($4.48)
MP2 ($18.29)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[
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1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.10, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.55, 2 folds, BB calls $0.45, UTG+1 calls $0.45, MP2 calls $0.45.

Flop: ($2.25) T[
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BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets $2.5, BB calls $2.50, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($7.25) 7[
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BB checks, Hero ??
 
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The flop bet as you said is kinda big. I prefer something close to the $2 mark. A bet that big is only doing two things: Folding weak tens and keeeping strong hands and strong flush draws around. $2 is more then enough to give someone incorrect odds to chase the flush. The turn is pretty horrible, as it fills up straight and flush draws. Im checking behind here, and calling a small bet with good odds on the river, or folding to a shove / big bet.
 
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i agree with AJ about checking behind and calling a reasonable river bet if its not a bad card for you

however i like the size of the flop bet mainly because there are so many people in the flop so if one were to call a slightly smaller bet it may bring along other callers that you dont want...

i think a hand like A10 or K10 may still call the $2.50 just as easily as they would a $2 bet
 
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The thing with such a big bet on the flop is your commiting over a quater of your stack on only a overpair on the flop. The only reason for such a big bet would be for value (to make more money), and we really dont wont to be building a massive pot here with a overpair, as theres so many scare cards that can come on the turn river (Any ace, diamond, maybe a 5). I dunno what you cant achieve with a bet of $1.90 - $2 that you achieve with a $2.5 bet.
 
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The only reason for such a big bet would be for value (to make more money), and we really dont wont to be building a massive pot here with a overpair, as theres so many scare cards that can come on the turn river (Any ace, diamond, maybe a 5). I dunno what you cant achieve with a bet of $1.90 - $2 that you achieve with a $2.5 bet.

well value was exactly my thinking because lets say the next cards a blank then we squeezed out a little more from a TPTK type hand that may fold to a second barrel (assuming the player can lay down TPTK...and if they cant we squeezed out a lil more and built the pot)

although if i did make a slightly larger bet like i said and this turn card came if be kicking myself for putting more in then i needed to...so actually i think i like a $2 bet a lil better as well
 
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Tough one . . . you could easily be ahead against hand like AT, KT, JT (especially w/ with a diamond) or even a smaller pair like JJ or 99, but then again, you could also be drawing very thin against a flopped set or even dead against a made straight or flush. The problem is the size of the pot; if you bet, you have to bet enough to make it unprofitable for a med-big diamond to call, which means a bet of $5 or more and puts you in an even more tricky spot if you get called again. So, I say check and see what the river brings, and ideally check it all the way down. (I would probably call a small river bet of $.50-1, but not anything bigger -- yeah, you might get bluffed some of the time, but more likely you're beat here if he bets big, I think.)

Another thought: I'm normally not a big fan of doing so, but this might have been a good spot to just check the flop, instead of firing a large (or any) continuation bet. Had you played it like that and it got checked around, folding to this scary turn-card would be a lot easier for you if you felt that someone was likely to have made his hand here, and if a safe turn card comes, a pot-sized bet should (...) get rid of most draws at that point.
 
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Say I check here, assuming he doesnt have the flush, or trying to anyways and hope he fires on the river at a non scary card. How much are we willing to call here if we let a card peel off.
 
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I think the hand has been played well all around. At these stakes plenty of people are calling your flop wide enough for it to be for value. I probably check here just to keep it in line, call any decent sized bets and also throw in a few dollar value bet if he checks to you, I think his TPTK hands are a wider range than sets, and i doubt made flushes are checking twice(really same for sets as well)
 
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I couldnt see him having a set here on the flop, as I believe he would be betting/raising me because of the flush draw out there and the others to act
 
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