Limit ring game discussion topic

Here's an everyday scenario which i'd be interested to see how others would approach.

Your the BB of a very loose 6 player 2/4 table and have been dealt Q8os. UTG raises to $4 (you know this doesn't necessarily signify strength as she's been raising with everything). The other 4 all call so you've got to pay $2 to get into $22 pot. Do pot odds mean a call, bearing in mind your probably well behind at the moment?

If you do call, what flop would you be looking for to proceed with, if your lead out bet was raised and called by other 4? If you had top pair, would you stay in hand to end if no other overcard came, if an opponent was betting all the way?

Easy fold. I'm out of position and not comfortable with the hand unless I flop 2 pair or better, and the chances of that are probably about 1 in 20.

If the table is very loose I know I'm usually going to get paid off well at a later stage with a good hand, so I see no need to start playing cards that aren't even marginal, no matter how cheap it is. Was playing at such a table earlier - it's always fun to see a flop get capped before the action even reaches you while you're holding AA in the big blind (it held up too).

I've been playing on the 3/6 and 5/10 6 max tables recently (rather badly I may add)

As you have said its very loose, I would probably call to see the flop and then base my actions on what betting there is after it. Its very hard to get away with bluffs at this kind of table, so you need to hit something.

If you flop a straight you are probably golden, though unlikely. Trips could also be a nice surprise, though most of the time you are probably going to be folding on the flop. The preflop call is more of a case of a cheap call into a large pot and hoping to get lucky. Your hand will be disguised and should get paid off well. If not you lost $2.

If the pot hadn't had everyone call, or got another raise, then your outta there. If it comes Q high then its hard to tell what to do. I've been called down in pots where i raised preflop bet all the way and the guy had bottom pair. So people could be playing with anything. Thats at the 5/10 as well, so look to hit big or get out.

I've been playing a lot on the 1/2 limit tables lately and have been faced with this type of situation numerous times. The book says bail immediately, but I would certainly call in this hand to see if I hit. I've found that folks will almost always play a single raise to see the flop in limit and they won't necessarily have a hand.

In this example, the only flops that would keep me in the game are trips of either or a made straight - without a flush draw on the board. A 2 pair flop would be very tempting, and I might stay in the hand if nobody pushed ater the flop.

I call too - just to see. Problem is not when you miss - that's an easy fold. It's when you hit. If you start hand with Q8 and hit top pair, you're either winning, behind to overpair or behind to top pair with higher kicker. If you are ahead, you'll bet to try and drive chasers away, but the pot odds will be irresistable to anyone on a draw - the more in the hand, the better the pot odds and the less likely they are to fold. In these circumstances, how likely is it that you'll reach the river and still be ahead (unlikely - you'll be bemoaning getting rivered again!).

I read recently that if you worked out what seat position lost you most money, it would be the BB - I do agree that you can call a raise more cheaply than others to see if you flop a monster hand, but in reality how likely is that? Also, how likely is it that you would fold top pair if someone called after flop? If you say you would fold then, there was no point calling in first place! I think i'm going to start folding these in future, to see if results improve a bit.