Learning Cash: AK big flop draw

pokerstars Game #22213881585: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/11/20 17:06:28 ET
Table 'Janina' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zystitis ($7.42 in chips)
Seat 2: Inscore77 ($3.48 in chips)
Seat 3: dnj-poker ($0.23 in chips)
Seat 4: Vriacs ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 5: hockeymom02 ($2.96 in chips)
Vriacs: posts small blind $0.01
hockeymom02: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Inscore77 [Ks As]
Zystitis: raises $0.03 to $0.05
Inscore77: raises $0.19 to $0.24
dnj-poker: calls $0.23 and is all-in
Vriacs: folds
hockeymom02: folds
Zystitis: calls $0.19
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4s 6s]
Zystitis: checks
Inscore77: bets $0.58
Zystitis: raises $1.42 to $2



With the flush draw and over cards, what step should I be taking here? Also, how was my preflop and flop play before his reraise? Villain is a 37/13/1

I thinks I would insta shove....but I have been wrong before.

Shove. Worst case he has AQ and you have 45% equity. Play looks fine to the point you posted.

take them to jamrock

WVHillbilly said:

Shove. Worst case he has AQ and you have 45% equity. Play looks fine to the point you posted.

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Newb question, what do you mean by 45% equity?

Inscore77 said:

Newb question, what do you mean by 45% equity?

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If he has AQ you are behind 65/45 to win the hand, so you equity in the pot is 45%. not to steal thunder from WV I want to make sure I understand it correctly.

good job

I think u did the right thing on flop make a small raise. U have so many outs but dont want him to catch. If he folds u have won a decent pot, but if u hit over cards or spade u have all the time to suck em dry. I think good play with a pretty flop like that.

Inscore77 said:

Newb question, what do you mean by 45% equity?

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Like Steve said, it means you'll win against AQ 45% of the time. Download Pokerstove to get the exact numbers. Play around with common situations in it and then use the knowledge the next time you're in a similar situation. In this exact situation I'd assign an unknown villain a range of something like any 2 spades, any set, and any Q better than QT. Against that range you're the favorite.

You have to shove all in at that point to me. You have too many outs to fold and simply calling will almost take all your chips anyway.

Shove is indeed what I did. Got a little lucky, but I was more than happy to get my chips in on this


PokerStars Game #22213881585: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/11/20 17:06:28 ET
Table 'Janina' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Zystitis ($7.42 in chips)
Seat 2: Inscore77 ($3.48 in chips)
Seat 3: dnj-poker ($0.23 in chips)
Seat 4: Vriacs ($1.56 in chips)
Seat 5: hockeymom02 ($2.96 in chips)
Vriacs: posts small blind $0.01
hockeymom02: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Inscore77 [Ks As]
Zystitis: raises $0.03 to $0.05
Inscore77: raises $0.19 to $0.24
dnj-poker: calls $0.23 and is all-in
Vriacs: folds
hockeymom02: folds
Zystitis: calls $0.19
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4s 6s]
Zystitis: checks
Inscore77: bets $0.58
Zystitis: raises $1.42 to $2
Inscore77: raises $1.24 to $3.24 and is all-in
Zystitis: calls $1.24
*** TURN *** [Qd 4s 6s] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [Qd 4s 6s Ac] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Zystitis: shows [Ad Qc] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
Inscore77: shows [Ks As] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Inscore77 collected $6.15 from side pot
dnj-poker: mucks hand
dnj-poker leaves the table
Inscore77 collected $0.72 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $7.22 Main pot $0.72. Side pot $6.15. | Rake $0.35
Board [Qd 4s 6s Ac Kd]
Seat 1: Zystitis showed [Ad Qc] and lost with two pair, Aces and Queens
Seat 2: Inscore77 showed [Ks As] and won ($6.87) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 3: dnj-poker (button) mucked [Ts 9s]
Seat 4: Vriacs (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: hockeymom02 (big blind) folded before Flop

Nice hand, good play - excellent result. It was a large raise pre flop. But the 02nl dynamic is different. Course I am usually too light pre flop, but this seems the raise is on the big side.

Would love to hear your opinion, and others opinions on this point.

Preflop is perfectly standard if idiots will call with hands that we crush (like AQ). The more $$ we can get in preflop the better off we are.

Steveg1976 said:

If he has AQ you are behind 65/45 to win the hand, so you equity in the pot is 45%. not to steal thunder from WV I want to make sure I understand it correctly.

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55:45

Shoving is clearly standard here. You've often got 15 outs, and at 2nl you'd rarely have less than 12 outs.

If you are deeper (or pot is smaller), vs a really bad player who won't be able to fold when an overcard/flush hits, then an argument can be made for flatting in position with a big draw like this (when you clearly have no fold equity and villain clearly has something) because essentially you can still get all the money in the 50% or so that you hit and only have to put in one more street in the 50% that you miss. So your relative equity in a situation like this becomes much higher than the 50% or so you'd have by shoving the flop. But that definitely doesn't apply here, just something for you to think about when playing draws like this in position (oop you'd always shove as it is too difficult to play any other way).

If playing FR, would we still shove this?

scragbag said:

If playing FR, would we still shove this?

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yep. probably would just make it less likely that he's on a bluff, but he's probably bluffing here almost never anyway, especially with the other player all-in. our hand just has a ton of equity, there's a lot in the pot, and not a whole lot left in our stack in comparison. i'd push this in any game