KK vs. Two shortstacks on ugly flop (100nl FR)

zachvac

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SB: $81.25
BB: $114.05
Hero (UTG): $118.75
UTG+1: $59
MP1: $114.60
MP2: $47.95
CO: $121.90
BTN: $22.90

Pre-Flop: K
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K
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dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $4, 4 folds

Flop: ($13.50) 7
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T
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4
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(3 Players)
Hero bets $8, UTG+1 calls $8, MP2 raises to $18, Hero ???

What's our plan here. Is this just a fold here? We don't have as much room so we're pretty much faced with the decision here it seems. I guess we could call and get away if this guy fires the turn, but that would kinda be spew. Is this just a fold here? Anyone feel comfortable stacking this?
 
dsvw56

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any stats?

I think we can find a fold here. We're pretty much either crushed or flipping with the bulk of his range. And the 3rd player really mucks things up.
 
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This was near the beginning of my session, and these weren't regs, so like <10 hands on both of them.
 
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I hate the tiny raise on the turn by MP2 after you raise *and* UTG+ calls. It's like he's begging to get money in the pot.

I'm guessing he has A/Q clubs. Well... UTG+1 is acting like he has a flush draw too. Maybe the Kc.

I'd grumble at myself for probably playing too tight and pray that UTG+1 calls and it goes to a showdown.
 
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this is a tricky one

with that board you really have no room for improvement i only see one card that could help which is the King os spades he barely raised you almost min raise even after another person called i think he had a made hand and was looking for callers maybe the nut flush i would probably lay this one down
 
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he probably has you beat but it all really depends on how he is played before,you didnt really give much details,other guy in the pot really shouldnt scare you away hes prob fishing with the flushdraw,best thing you could of done was prob check in the flop because you not having any club and then go on from ther

I wanted to bet there to take the pot right here because there are a ton of turn scare cards that could come (A, club, or any of the various cards that make straights) although I'm probably ahead. Deeper stacked I think this is an easy fold, but with these shortstacks I for some reason convinced myself it was fine to stack. I call the flop, then call a turn shove when a blank hits. Villain has TT for top set. I think I just overplayed this because of the shorter stacks, but I wanted to see if anyone could justify calling this flop or how they adjust to the shorter stacks. Basically I'm ba/wb here, there's sets/made flushes and then combo draws that I'm barely ahead of if that even (ie 89 with a club I think is ahead of me here). The only thing is a complete bluff by both players and that's highly unlikely. So even if I have the best hand I don't think it's a horrible fold. Shorter stacks just **** me up so much and I end up calling way too light. Didn't know how other people adjusted to that.
 
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I think any reasonably aggressive player can raise the flop with the naked ace of clubs. But against TWO callers he would probably take the free card off on the turn (sort of like the 'raise for a free card' limit play).
 
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