KK & Tricky Flop

insolitude

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Quick one for you guys. Mind you, I have no reads here. I have no idea what I make of this kind of post-flop shove:

* Villain representing Qx (in which case it's an easy fold)?
* Villain representing two pairs (in which case it's an easy call)?

PokerStars Game #16570940555: Hold'em No Limit ($0.02/$0.05) - 2008/04/08 - 01:20:03 (ET)
Table 'Lanzia II' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: btbrooks ($3.92 in chips)
Seat 2: aoauctions ($13.94 in chips)
Seat 3: scubastank ($5.50 in chips)
Seat 4: trockpr03 ($4.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Pepwa ($4 in chips)
Seat 6: insolitude ($10.43 in chips)
trockpr03: posts small blind $0.02
Pepwa: posts big blind $0.05
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [Kh Kc]
insolitude: raises $0.20 to $0.25
btbrooks: folds
aoauctions: folds
scubastank: calls $0.25
trockpr03: folds
Pepwa: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 5s Qd]
insolitude: bets $0.35
scubastank: raises $4.90 to $5.25 and is all-in
insolitude: ???
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I would fold this, your obviously up against AA/AQ/KQ/QJs/QTs with the ones in red being most likely because of the call preflop.
Without any reads I would fold this.
 
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Easy fold, even if he's doing this with air with this kind of overbet there's no reason to call with this here. You're getting horrible odds, you have to be almost positive that he doesn't have the Q or AA.
 
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How is it obvious we are up against said hands?
Villain can also be on JJ-55 here.
We cannot automatically assume that we are beat here.
I call this based on given stack sizes.
Not to mention .02/.05
Call/fist pump.
 
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You have to fold with no reads/huge huge overbet. But with any decent reads i would be very tempted to call this vs a non-nit, because 55-JJ (or even 22-JJ since you can't have a 4, unless you had 44) is a realistic shoving range for those limits. Would be alot easier call in a SnG tho...doesn't make any sense to overbet that drastically in a cash game unless he has the Q and hopes you have KK/AA and call. But yea w/o reads you don't have any choice but to fold unless you feel like really gambling.
 
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How is it obvious we are up against said hands?
Villain can also be on JJ-55 here.
We cannot automatically assume that we are beat here.
I call this based on given stack sizes.
Not to mention .02/.05
Call/fist pump.
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^^This, imo, not too many players (especially at 5NL) are going to play trip queens that fast. Ive seen quite a few donk shoves like this lately at 25NL and they almost never have the trips.
 
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FOLD FOLD FOLD FOLD.

Even if you called here and won, you are going to be facing a hand with a Q in it more often that not. NL$5 is about nut mining, betting your big hands and folding to very ovbious donk shoves on ovbious boards.
 
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The right move might be to fold but to tell you the honest truth I don't think I would be able to let those KK go, I would look how this player has been playing his other hands ect. But i think I would go with a call here because those are nice cards to bluff with and get away with when he puts you on a high ace or a pair.
 
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Thanks for the responses guys. I let this one go, felt pretty good about it at the time...

insolitude: folds
scubastank collected $1.22 from pot
scubastank: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1.27 | Rake $0.05
Board [Qc 5s Qd]
Seat 1: btbrooks folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: aoauctions folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: scubastank (button) collected ($1.22)
Seat 4: trockpr03 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Pepwa (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: insolitude folded on the Flop
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royalburrito24 said:
How is it obvious we are up against said hands?
Villain can also be on JJ-55 here.
We cannot automatically assume that we are beat here.
I call this based on given stack sizes.
Not to mention .02/.05
Call/fist pump.
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I fold, if he was on JJ I doubt he would of raised (all-in mind you), with QQ on the board. Like they said, he could have AQ, QQ, KQ, etc... not to mention AA. That is a board with too many losses for not enough money. IMO that is.

Edit: you do have a point with .02/.05 - if I had enough of a BR I would call, well just because. =p
 
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