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e30rocks is 16/5/1/83. PRG87 is 56/18/3/50.

pokerstars Game #17568015284: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/20 - 14:37:43 (ET)
Table 'Indiana III' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: stationbc ($10 in chips)
Seat 2: e30rocks ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 4: HariaKeez ($14.65 in chips)
Seat 5: BelgoSuisse ($19.20 in chips)
Seat 6: BLITZzzz ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 8: PRG87 ($1.20 in chips)
Seat 9: Camilla82 ($3.70 in chips)
BelgoSuisse: posts small blind $0.05
BLITZzzz: posts big blind $0.10
Vonci: sits out
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BelgoSuisse [Ks Kc]
PRG87: calls $0.10
Camilla82: folds
stationbc: folds
e30rocks: raises $0.40 to $0.50
HariaKeez: calls $0.50
BelgoSuisse: raises $2.50 to $3
BLITZzzz: folds
PRG87: calls $1.10 and is all-in
e30rocks: raises $3 to $6
HariaKeez: folds
BelgoSuisse: raises $13.20 to $19.20 and is all-in
e30rocks: calls $4.35 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($8.85) returned to BelgoSuisse
 
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Standard. Hope for your sake they both turned over AK
 
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Yep, pretty clear shove here. If this was HU with e30 we might have a debate, but both the dead money that the fish brings in the middle as well as the effect it has on e30 who will be shoving lighter, it makes it a pretty clear stack if you ask me.

As soon as I get my copy of PT3 I'm going to make an analysis of all my KK AIPF hands to get a better picture of when to stack with them pf, but as a general rule you can't go wrong with never folding them <=100bb deep.
 
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*** SHOW DOWN ***
BelgoSuisse: shows [Ks Kc] (two pair, Kings and Queens)
e30rocks: shows [As Ac] (a full house, Aces full of Queens)
e30rocks collected $17.40 from side pot
PRG87: mucks hand [7d 8c]
e30rocks collected $4 from main pot

I guess there's not much I can do against this kind of cooler.
 
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I suck with PT stats... but the ones on e30 are basically tight, yeah?

Either way, the line villain took before the flop looks a lot like aces - the min-raise to $6 particularly screams "I know I'm ahead, give me action". I don't know what else does that - KK, maybe, but that's unlikely since you've got two of them. I think AK / QQ probably just shoves over the top of you rather than min-raising.

As Chuck's pointed out though, the amount of dead money in the pot and the villain's relatively small stack size makes this difficult to get away from. But if they're a tight player, I'd be calling this expecting to see aces most of the time.
 
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I've always been of the opinion that unless it is >100bb vs >100bb with a total nit there is nothing wrong with stacking with KK preflop.
 
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This is totally standard, and you should almost be never folding KK pre-flop on nl$10, players can show up with all sorts of random stuff. If we are HU against a nitty villian, and the stacks are unusually deep, and its been 5 bet, then perhaps there can be arguement for folding.
 
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Raise, re-raise, and re-re-raise should be AA (or KK), but with a max liability of $7.35 you cant realistically consider folding.
 
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