KK I'm sure there was a lot wrong with this one.

Stacks:
* BB with $4.23
* UTG with $4.16
* MP with $0.64
* CO with $1.13
* BTN with $1.00
* SB with $2.70




Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: pokerstars
* * Dealt to UTG:K♣ K♦
* * Sklansky group 1
Preflop:
* * Hero raises $0.07 to $0.09
* * MP calls [$0.09]
* * 3 players fold.
* * BB calls [$0.07]
* * Total folds this street: 3
* * Potsize: $0.28
Flop:
* * 7♥ 5♥ 6♣
* * BB: checks
* * Hero: checks
* * MP bets [$0.04]
* * BB calls [$0.04]
* * Hero raises $0.16 to $0.20
* * MP raises $0.16 to $0.36
* * BB calls [$0.32]
* * Hero calls [$0.16]
* * Potsize: $1.36
Turn:
* * J♦
* * BB bets [$0.50]
* * Hero calls [$0.50]
* * MP calls [$0.19] [ all-in ]
* * Potsize: $2.55
River:
* * Q♦
* * BB: checks
* * Hero bets [$3.21] [ all-in ]



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Do you have stats or reads on either villain? If so please post as it makes analysis easier and better.

Without reads:

Bet the flop. That board hit's so much of your opponents ranges that I really don't like checking and hoping my opponent gives me a chance to check/raise.

As played why push the river? What hands call that you beat (other than exactly AQh)? You were given the opportunity to get to SD rather cheaply, take it.

Oh god why are you c/ring this flop? This is like the worst flop possible for KK so just if you want to see showdown just c/c but i wouldn't get too attached to your hand if somebody goes crazy on this board (unless you are dealing with loose fishy players). I've got 0 idea of what goes on a .1/.2, but you definitely wouldn't be wanting to get your stack in on this board vs a TAGish cold calling range at higher stakes. Go look at the thread Dakota posted about the JJ hand. The exact same flop i think and she had essentially the exact same hand (for all purposes). I wrote a much longer post there why you don't want to get crazy on a super coordinated two tone flop vs non-loose calling ranges.

Bet Flop > Check/Call Flop > Check/Raise Flop

This board is bad for KK, and you take the worst possible option other than check/folding. Against these loose fishy players, I'd bet for value, but I wouldn't be super excited about stacking off here. And by check/raising, that's exactly what you're trying to accomplish (stack off).

So yeah, bet out on the flop for like $0.22. Players at this level will call you with a wide variety of hands on this board, many of which you beat. But after I'm called in two spots, I'd be looking to pot control somewhere and check 1 street. KK ain't too hot to stack off with 200 bb's deep on this board.

First of all I really like your new tagline WVHillbilly!

Thanks guys. I wanted this picked apart. I got to the end of this hand knowing I'd screwed up in at least two places.

I should have raised more pre flop, and the all in at the end was a spasm of foolishness. But the unanimous hatred for the checkraise has me thinking. This is something I wanted to hear.

As to reads. MP was tilted from a suckout and was IMHO low hanging fruit. He wanted to go all in. BB was something like 70/40/4 over about 50 hands. I felt like the flop didnt hit the BB. In past hands he had bet gigantically anytime he got middle par or better like 10 bets. and would raise/reraise everything when he had cards or when he didn't. On draws he acted more like this.

I need to think about my checkraise obviously.

The all in was just plain stupid... and i sort of wanted to show off my stupidity and find out what else was wrong. It worked!

I appriciate your time to look and your input!

cAPS

Oh.. FWIW... I lucked out this time.

The BB folded to my all in, and I won both pots.

cAPSLOCK said:

I should have raised more pre flop, and the all in at the end was a spasm of foolishness. But the unanimous hatred for the checkraise has me thinking. This is something I wanted to hear. Since the blinds are NOT posted, it appears its a 1 cent/2 cent game. So your PF raise is fine. You want some action and anything bigger probably takes the pot right then. I agree the check raise was not a good thing.

As to reads. MP was tilted from a suckout and was IMHO low hanging fruit. He wanted to go all in. BB was something like 70/40/4 over about 50 hands. I felt like the flop didnt hit the BB. In past hands he had bet gigantically anytime he got middle par or better like 10 bets. and would raise/reraise everything when he had cards or when he didn't. On draws he acted more like this.

I need to think about my checkraise obviously.

The all in was just plain stupid.YUP.. and i sort of wanted to show off my stupidity and find out what else was wrong. It worked!

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CYP

vs loose fish then betting this flop trying to get it in on the flop/turn is ok. But if/when you ever move up stakes and start playing vs competent players, this flop is not one you want to be betting vs tight preflop ranges.

feitr said:

But if/when you ever move up stakes and start playing vs competent players, this flop is not one you want to be betting vs tight preflop ranges.

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bankroll has a way to go before this happens. My style at 02 is different than my style at higher stakes. In the past the higher up I go the more TAG I trend.

I have not spent enough time in PS higher levels to know for sure where my butt is gonna get kicked. It is a curiosity for me.

Has anyone else noticed that play at 02 and at the highest limits can look quite similar at times? While in the middle you will see a markedly more TAG / textbook "well oiled machine" sort of game? Not saying the big table guys don't got it goin on so to speak... just that their play often looks like what I see down at 02nl

THANKS AGAIN FOR THE ANALYSIS!

nice win cAPS.

cAPSLOCK said:

In the past the higher up I go the more TAG I trend.

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Generally, it should be the other way around...

c9h13no3 said:

Generally, it should be the other way around...

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Indeed? Let me see if I understand why...

Play TAG against loose fish.. exploit their looseness.
Play LAG against tight competent players.. exploit their tightness?

For me I seem to win most at micromicros when I am loose, but tighter than the average at the table. When I get tighter it turns down the bb/100 a little bit. Too loose and the same... Always agressive though. Most times passive = chipfountain for the table.

I wonder sometimes if I have a particular style that wrks that isn't textbook... or if I'm just too dumb to know better.