Originally Posted by feitr
You have the 2nd nuts, villain has quads here VERY VERY rarely. Bet and get it in and ignore like 90% of the posts in this thread as they are ridiculous.
If you lose with kings full of aces absolutely no problem, but if you have the 2nd nuts and are scared to get the money in that is a huge leak. Basically what i am saying is that if villain has quads here it is a giant cooler and you should be getting stacked everytime...the problem is when you play so weak tight postflop that you miss incredible value.
Now that I think about it, the way he played it may have represented that HE had the case ace. However, technically he did NOT have 2nd nuts. AK, AQ, AJ, AT, A9, A8, A7, A6, A5, A4, A3, and A2 are all possible hands that would beat him. Granted the first 3 listed here are unlikely because he probably would have been reraised preflop, but still. That's 12 hands that could possibly beat him. You can't say AX is the nuts as one hand. That's 12 different combinations thus making KK the 13th best possible hand with this board. This situation all comes down to your read. You sit back, analyze the hand, put your opponent on a hand, and THEN make your decision on what to do. If you decide in your mind that he has an ace (doesn't matter if he does or not) then assume he has the ace and play the hand accordingly. If it's kept cheap enough, which it was, you can afford to pay off small value bets to see if he in fact had quads. If it's too expensive (more than likely on the river) then it's OK to fold. Your not pot committed to where you HAVE to call a heavy river and even if you ARE pot committed, if you believe you're beat, why call? Like I said, make a read and play your hand according to what you put him on. If your preflop with KK and in your mind you're convinced the all in in front of you has AA would you still call? You could, but it would be the wrong move.
Btw, the posts on this thread have the intention of helping advise a player to win. No need to risk everything if you could possibly have no outs to draw to off the flop. The way he played the hand showed great patience AND self control. Smart guys like you will one day be in that situation one day and get knocked out by the quads by playing your "2nd nuts" (as you put it). Just because the odds
of something happening are low, does NOT mean they don't happen. 2008 WSOP
Main Event, guy got knocked out on day one with quad aces.