Originally Posted by Bombjack
Not sure really... I suppose it's just half as likely that someone else has it. I c-bet a lot less multi-way when I'm bluffing, just because I'm more likely to be against a real hand, although I will bet sometimes on a flop like this depending on my position and their likely ranges based on pre-flop.
This is basically a WA/WB (though there are a few gutshots which changes things slightly). The likelyhood of him holding an ace doesn't really matter (unless we're talking about the theoretical situation we're sure
he's got it in which case we're ch-folding).
We check because we're either behind, or we're not, and we're only getting called by better hands. We also want to lure the worse ones in.
Originally Posted by Bombjack
HU, I'm almost always betting A-high flops if I raised pre-flop. Sometimes I'll have it, often I won't, and sometimes I'll have a tweener hand, but I think it's good to keep people guessing. Plus you don't get into nasty situations when they realize you don't have the Ace and start betting into you on the turn and river. And heads-up, with middle pair you probably have the best hand anyway, so it's a value bet when people know you'll be betting any Ace-high flop and call you down with a worse Jack, a pair of Tens etc.
Hopefully you can fish something coherent out of that!
Heh. Well I thought you were talking about bluffing, but I see you mean that you expect to be called by worse hands. I personally rarely see TT or 99 calling down here, but I agree that JT will occasionally call the flop and check it down.
Anyways, I don't think this isn't exactly WA/WB, but it's pretty close and we can apply the same concept.
Pokerstars Game (?) HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($0.10/$0.25) - 2007/11/06 - 02:52:32 (ET)
Table 'Sidonia' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: sam2dope4u ($8.30 in chips)
Seat 2: drsemloh ($28.80 in chips)
Seat 3: xXBambi82Xx ($31.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero ($26.20 in chips)
Seat 5: verygud ($31.35 in chips)
Seat 6: blackmore ($4.60 in chips)
sam2dope4u: posts small blind $0.10
drsemloh: posts big blind $0.25
Dealt to Hero [ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diamK.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spadeJ.gif] ]
Hero : raises $0.60 to $0.85
sam2dope4u: calls $0.75
drsemloh: calls $0.60
Flop: (Pot: $2.55)
[ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade7.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/clubJ.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diamA.gif] ]
Hero : checks
Turn: (Pot: $2.55)
[ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade7.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/clubJ.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diamA.gif] ] [ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade6.gif] ]
sam2dope4u: bets $1
Hero : calls $1
River: (Pot: $4.55)
[ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade7.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/clubJ.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diamA.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade6.gif] ] [ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diam8.gif] ]
sam2dope4u: bets $1.25
Hero : calls $1.25
sam2dope4u: shows [ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spade8.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diam5.gif] ] (a pair of Eights)
Hero : shows [ [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/diamK.gif] [image: http://www.pokerhand.org/images/spadeJ.gif] ] (a pair of Jacks)
Hero collected $6 .75 from pot
Total pot $7.05 | Rake $0.30
Kind of a brag (sorry), but I think it demonstrates wa/wb nicely.