K8 soooted in SB

How do you play this hand (poll above)? This is Villain's first hand on the table - i.e. no reads.

Seat 1: ElFarmer ($16.45 in chips)
Seat 6: Bombjack_x [ , ] ($122.95 in chips)
Seat 7: longshortjoe ($50.00 in chips)
Seat 8: pirjolainen ($27.90 in chips)
Seat 10: andymacleod ($30.25 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Bombjack_x posts blind ($0.25), longshortjoe posts blind ($0.50).

PRE-FLOP
pirjolainen calls $0.50, andymacleod folds, ElFarmer calls $0.50, Bombjack_x calls $0.25, longshortjoe checks.

FLOP [ ,, ]
Bombjack_x bets $1, longshortjoe calls $1, pirjolainen folds, ElFarmer folds.

TURN [ ]
Bombjack_x bets $3, longshortjoe bets $10, Bombjack_x calls $7.

RIVER [ ]
Bombjack_x checks, longshortjoe bets $38.50 and is all-in, Bombjack_x calls $38.50.

I would push on the turn as I always do when in a similar situation.

no reads and you're checking the river? that seems... a little risky.

rest is fine.

option2 on poll what does 9 hve to do with it?

But i voted poosh the turn dunno why prob is bad play here but u can be pretty sure your ahead and you dam me i changed my mind you played it very well tho river check was risky but seemed to pay off

Dorkus Malorkus said:

no reads and you're checking the river? that seems... a little risky.

rest is fine.

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I actually wanted to keep the pot small because I had a strong feeling he had quad Fives. I was pretty sure I was splitting otherwise.

Stefanicov said:

option2 on poll what does 9 hve to do with it?

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I mis-typed 8, but can't edit the poll questions.

split pot

I really can't see him having quad 5's here - he flat called the flop, which doesn't make much sense for a boat hand. If he puts you on the 8, then he should be raising you on the flop to avoid more cards - because his fullhouse isn't all that strong. Another 8, on the other hand, may be wondering about your kicker( 89 or 78, for example).
He raises the turn to find out where he's at - not great for you, but I don't think it should be read as a huge sign of strength.

My guess is the river gave you a split-pot hand. It may be a bluff on his part, but if it is a bluff its a well thought out one. I think I call just as you did, although I would have bet out first to try and slow down the action.

Seeing monsters under the bed?

There's no way you can put an unknown at $50NL on 55 here with any degree of certainty at all.

I think we see an 8 here a lot of the time, a 5 here sometimes, totally random bluffs occasionally (or even a donk who really thinks his Ace-high is worth value-shoving), a hilariously misplayed AA/KK from time to time (trust me, I've seen them played just like this before), and quad 5s pretty much at the bottom of the ladder (55 sort of fits the action, but (a) other hands fit the action just as well, and (b) 55 is just so statistically unlikely here). We're well ahead of the range.

fold preflop

push turn

push river

Well... he had 55 and I lost a large chunk of my stack.

I believe the Americans have a term for this. "Dang".

I have to disagree...its more like "you M(*&(*)^%cker, you ****&^&^&%$*)_...then dang!

Okay it's been awhile since I posted over in the analysis area because I haven't played alot recently.

Someone tell me if what I am getting ready to say is wrong or right please to help me understand.

Being that Bombjack is in the SB with all limpers here, why no preflop raise then a semi-push to a push on the flop?
Now understanding that the overall winner of this hand probably wouldn't have folded preflop and definetly wouldn't have folded post flop with a made boat but maybe with atleast a semi-push Bombjack may have had an idea where he was at in this hand better?

alright, here's my take on the hand. I may be way off, i mean, i've been wrong once or twice before but here goes flop is good, i definately lead at this. Also, I think your image matters here. Im sure you know what I mean, if you've been active at the table then leading this flop is great. I like leading either way actually, but if you've been extremely tight (and you think they notice this) then i would consider check-calling and leading any turn. the reason is, in my experience in 50NL, NOBODY believes this line.

Alright, back to the hand, on the turn, having got there as you did, your bet is good here, but what do you put him on when he raises you? I mean, what could he have here? 22, 55, an 8 is all that makes sense to me. if he happens to have 22 or 55 I think you must pay off here. I think I would be inclined to 3bet this turn to around 33-35$ and try to stack a worse 8 or a stubborn pocket pair (unlikely unless villian is terrible)

river- wow, check? thats a hell of a read by you, but you were paying off anyway, why not just bet out? all 1 pair hands check behind, and an 8 that is betting this river is at LEAST going to call you. results aside, I think you must bet this river for value, theres so many hands that villian may have that he's checking behind. I mean, if you were deeper, you might be able to get away from it, or at least bet-fold this river, but for 100BB i'm never folding this hand on this board with no reads on opponet. I would have a hard time folding this for 200-300 BBs, i mean theres only ONE hand that beats you. your villain's river play was very good, but theres no way you get away from this.

Overall, I think you played the hand good, just chalk it up to a true cooler and move on. I mean, who the hell hits quads?????? has anyone made quads in the history of poker???


EDIT: besides this guy?

The only thing I would have possibly done differently is either raised more on the flop, or slow played it.

As DM said, the last hand I would put him on would be 55 - the last allin bet says to me "I`ve got a good hand but I really don`t want you to call - I would have put him on a 5 or an 8, but 55??? He could also have been playing an overpair and saw your bet on the flop as a steal attempt - lets face it, at that stage u were way ahead so if he did he fell for it. I would have pushed all in after his raise on the turn - that is probably the only time he might have folded IMO.

He hit his 1 outer on the river, simple

I defy anyone to tell me they could put down what is the second best hand possible.

Very unlucky

Ronaldadio said:

The only thing I would have possibly done differently is either raised more on the flop, or slow played it.

As DM said, the last hand I would put him on would be 55 - the last allin bet says to me "I`ve got a good hand but I really don`t want you to call - I would have put him on a 5 or an 8, but 55??? He could also have been playing an overpair and saw your bet on the flop as a steal attempt - lets face it, at that stage u were way ahead so if he did he fell for it. I would have pushed all in after his raise on the turn - that is probably the only time he might have folded IMO.

He hit his 1 outer on the river, simple

I defy anyone to tell me they could put down what is the second best hand possible.

Very unlucky

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Actually he was ahead all the way, having flopped a full house. But I had outs until the river.

@DD: The reason for checking the river is because I'm hoping he's going to bet smaller and hope to get his quads paid off. I'd have just called if he'd bet say $20. Although betting the river could still be correct if 9 times out of 10 he doesn't have 55.

Dingodaddy23 said:

Overall, I think you played the hand good, just chalk it up to a true cooler and move on. I mean, who the hell hits quads?????? has anyone made quads in the history of poker???


EDIT: besides this guy?

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hehe, I've personally hit quads six times, and been whacked accross the face by quads twice. It is rare, but it does happen.
And I think not going broke with the biggest trips and a great kicker would be near impossible - you would cripple youself if you assumed anyone had quads.

Bombjack said:

Actually he was ahead all the way, having flopped a full house. But I had outs until the river.

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Yep, sry, I was wrong I would have lost all that cash as well!!!