JJ in position

Villain is 27/6/6/47. I really don't like how I play this hand

pokerstars Game #17570680350: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2008/05/20 - 16:27:05 (ET)
Table 'Alnath III' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: edmund9242 ($8.80 in chips)
Seat 2: chancasweb ($2.40 in chips)
Seat 3: im bog ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 4: geoste54 ($12.75 in chips)
Seat 5: WICKEDMISS ($7.75 in chips)
Seat 6: Till0055 ($10.40 in chips)
Seat 7: galaktisch ($5.45 in chips)
Seat 8: BelgoSuisse ($10.10 in chips)
Seat 9: clo22 ($4.45 in chips)
edmund9242: posts small blind $0.05
chancasweb: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to BelgoSuisse [Jh Js]
im bog: folds
geoste54: folds
WICKEDMISS: raises $0.20 to $0.30
Till0055: folds
galaktisch: folds
BelgoSuisse: calls $0.30
clo22: folds
edmund9242: folds
chancasweb: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 8d 7h]
WICKEDMISS: checks
BelgoSuisse: bets $0.60
WICKEDMISS: raises $0.60 to $1.20
BelgoSuisse: calls $0.60
*** TURN *** [7c 8d 7h] [5d]
WICKEDMISS: bets $1.90
BelgoSuisse: calls $1.90
*** RIVER *** [7c 8d 7h 5d] [Kh]
WICKEDMISS: bets $4.35 and is all-in
BelgoSuisse: calls $4.35

What reads did you have on opponent? Had you normally been flat calling MP raises w/ middle pairs? Your flop bet w/ the preflop call really narrows your hand to 99-JJ, 9T, 89 in my mind.

I'm betting my whole range on that flop, I don't think it narrows it at all. A pfr followed by a flop check is incredibly weak and I'm attacking that regardless what I'm holding.

PF is what's made this hand so messy - 3-bet it and take it from there and save yourself the trouble.

I agree that preflop should have been a 3-bet instead of the flat call. I was saying that Belgo's line of flat-calling the raise and the flop bet really narrowed his range in my mind. Course I could be influenced by the HH. This might have been a better analysis if Belgo had hidden his hole cards.

ChuckTs said:

PF is what's made this hand so messy - 3-bet it and take it from there and save yourself the trouble.

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I agree. The thing is: I got dealt JJ twice in a row and the first time I raised PF and just collected the blinds, so this time I want a bit more action. Not very clever I guess.

Anyway, on flop, should I consider myself beat after the check raise? If not, should I fold turn or river?

Getting action (especially at lower limits) is a function of what your opponents have, not what you are doing.

So no matter if you 5-bet shove preflop, often times, they just wanna play their 78s and they will give you action. Other times, they'll either find some discipline, or something, and fold Q3os. Just play it standard, and the action will come.

Not to mention, taking the hand down preflop isn't such a bad result. Rake-free/flop-free money baby.

BelgoSuisse said:

I agree. The thing is: I got dealt JJ twice in a row and the first time I raised PF and just collected the blinds, so this time I want a bit more action. Not very clever I guess.

Anyway, on flop, should I consider myself beat after the check raise? If not, should I fold turn or river?

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I really don't know. If we had a bigger sample size on the guy then I'd say the call down is ok since his AF is so high, but what we have on him really doesn't mean much. I don't play 10nl, but at 25nl-100nl I rarely see a raise pf followed by a check-minraise on the flop, so I'm really not quite sure what it means.