JJ against aggro villain

zachvac

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Villain is 30/28 with 14% 3-bet over a significant sample. He's just been super aggressive. I float his flop bet just because I think he bets here about 90% of the time. The turn is then a perfect double barrel card. Anyone like raising the flop? 4-betting preflop? Folding flop? Given action what do you do here on the turn?

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SB: $112.45 (112.5 bb)
BB: $155.55 (155.6 bb)
MP: $62.50 (62.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $144.80 (144.8 bb)
BTN: $57.50 (57.5 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is CO with J
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J
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MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4, BTN folds, SB raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30) 9
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5
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5
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(2 players)
SB bets $16, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($62) Q
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SB bets $47
 
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I like raising the flop here. We're already quite lucky not to see an overcard. There are just too many cards that will give us a hard decision on the turn. And given villain's stats and the flush draw on the flop, i'm probably happy stacking there.

Turn is indeed a perfect double barreling opportunity for him. If this was not a club i'd be tempted to flat and hope he 3-barrels air on the river. Because it's a club i'd rather either fold or shove because a bit less than half the time he'll have a lone club in his hand.
 
Chris_TC

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I'd usually 4-bet/call preflop, even against less aggro opponents.

Calling the flop is fine, but I think it's a good spot to (min)raise. When you raise that board, what could you possible have? He might just shove over the top thinking you're full of it.

As played, you should call the turn and call any river.
 
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a bit less than half the time he'll have a lone club in his hand.
I haven't done the math in quite a while, but IIRC the odds of him having a club when the 4-flush hits are 2:1 against. That's why betting air on 4-flush boards is so profitable.
 
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I like a small flop raise to induce a shove. Or just get it in pre.

This guy's a maniac. The deeper we get in the hand, the more cards that come out that allow us to talk ourselves out of the fact that we're ahead of his range. Get it in somewhere on the first 2 streets.
 
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Keep in mind this is not a bad player. He's been pretty solid, seems to be a decent lag.

Anyway, I ended up folding turn. My logic was that if I raise I'm not folding to a shove, and I expect him to fold most of the time when he's on air here.

@Chris, do you really get it in with JJ comfortably against this type of player? I mean I realize I have FE, but I'm never getting a worse hand to call pretty much, right?
 
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@Chris, do you really get it in with JJ comfortably against this type of player? I mean I realize I have FE, but I'm never getting a worse hand to call pretty much, right?
Villain is 3-betting 14% of hands. He's going to get 4-bet light on a regular basis, so he needs to stack off lighter to make up for it.

I'll get all in with JJ in a button vs. blind battle. But against an UTG raiser, I'll muck JJ if I get 4-bet. I'm assuming Chris is getting at the same sort of thing here.
 
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i'd like to get it in on the flop, or at least do the min raise hope he bluffs off his stack deal. As played it is a pretty hard choice. You are probably along way ahead of his range, but if villain fires on the river and there is another scare card, you are going to have a horrible decision. I don't mind the fold, but the odds are you are ahead of villain's range so calling the turn and river is a possibility if you have seen him run triple barrell bluffs (which i'm sure he has). Who is villain btw?

Like what do you really think villain has here that beats you? Q on the turn means qq is highly unlikely and kk/aa are also really unlikely given his 3B%. You're isolating what is probably a fish from teh co, so your range is prettty wide and villain is probably 3 betting this from sb with such a wide range. I just think c/cing to the river becomes so uncomfortable seeing how you plaeyd the flop.
 
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I think you have to 4 bet here preflop. He will be 3 betting you light alot of the time since he is a decent lag. Balance your range the times you will have to 4 bet him light. As many said before me, as played I think I call here and cal a non club river but Im a spew monkey
 
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@Chris, do you really get it in with JJ comfortably against this type of player? I mean I realize I have FE, but I'm never getting a worse hand to call pretty much, right?
The idea is to let him go all-in. Yes, even a very laggy player won't call with much worse, but he will shove over the top with much worse.
That's the reason why I like a mini-raise on the flop or a 4-bet preflop. Well, preflop I like the 4-bet in general, but against him I like it particularly much.
 
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i'm usually raising flop smallish to induce and feeling pretty good about getting it in at 6max vs someone this aggro. you have very near the top of your range here and a small raise on this raggy paired flop can look fairly bluffy to him

i don't really mind your line though. turn is a pretty good card for him to double barrel but i still sigh and fold since it's of course a bad card for us and he has some leverage with the chips behind (you pretty much have to push or fold here and he's only calling the push with a range that has you in bad shape and folding the bluffs)
 
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