Is it good to check raise in this situation?

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Ok, I have this hand on pokerstars. I was biggest stack on the table with $36 while the blinds were 0.1/0.25.

My villain was born utg and he opened with a raise of standard 3bb. He is super tight and only opens ~3% of his hands utg. Actions have been folded back to me on the bb with me holding KQo. I three bet, he flat called. (This is a terrible move I know:(
We went into the flop.
JT5 two spades. I checked raised him, turn a 7 of spade. I bet half of the pot he called. River was blank, I fired another bet he called with KK with one spade.


My question is : Was my bluff a terrible one and if so was there another way to bluff him off the pot?


Btw, my range was 10%wider than usual and the whole table contained a couple fish and some super tight passive players.
 
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was there another way to bluff him off the pot?
how much do you bet the river? it might work w/ overbet/shove & whats the SPR?
 
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My question is : Was my bluff a terrible one and if so was there another way to bluff him off the pot?

This is a tough one in my opinion. You knew he was super tight so that means that most of the time he is already ahead of you preflop when you are holding KQo. However, that 3bet isn't necessarily so bad idea because you took your chances already preflop. I mean if he is tight, you might be able to scare him away already right there if he's holding something like AJo for example. But he calls so it's quite obvious that he has a strong hand.

I also like your check-raise post flop because you stick to your story after that 3bet that you too have something. And even though it is a semibluff this time, you have a nice draw there so you are definitely not dead. The first real mistake in my opinion comes on turn when you only bet half the pot. I mean you are representing a very strong hand here, your opponent has called so far and you still make a bet of only half the pot? Doesn't that tell your opponent that you are a bit scared? You want your opponent to think that you are not afraid of his calls and that you actually want more from him since you have already seen that he is willing to pay. That's why I think you should've bet at least 2/3 of the pot.

You are not telling how much you bet on river but that too should've been at least 2/3 of the pot. Maybe even all-in. The only problem here is that you can't know for sure what he has. You just know that he has something since he is tight and has already called so far. We can then only ask, if he would've just called that far with a set for example? Most people are not patient when they see that someone is willing to play for their stacks and if he would be holding a set for example, he would've probably raised you on turn already. Just calling means that he too might be a bit scared, and if you see that someone is scared, you don't hold back.

I think that with this hand and him holding only one pair in the end, you would've been able to bluff him out of the pot with big enough raises. Then again, nothing is ever certain in poker and sometimes even the tightest players go blind when they get KK or AA in their hand, and are willing to play that 'til the end, even when someone else shows strength. So like I said, I think this is a tough one but that's what makes poker fun.

Of course your own image also matters so if you had been caught trying out bluffs earlier or going far with only one pair, then that might have not been the best choice. Then you could've just check-called to the river since you had a nice draw there but I like the fact that you took your chances and fought for it :)
 
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If he made the call your checkraise it was necessary to think about what hand he might have. Two kings on a such board he did not never fold.
 
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when there is a lot of stakes, it can be estimated as a bluff, I would put half of the bank, then he would think and would not have hesitated to think that I have AA
 
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how can you 3 bet UTG nit with kq offsuit, he had you dominated.
.fold preflop
 
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Bogusjimm;4120861JT5 said:
. I checked raised him, turn a 7 of spade. I bet half of the pot he called.
I’m wondering if check rise is valid on this board? If you have AA,KK,QQ you would most likely just CB? If you have a set, JJJ,TTT,55 you would not check raise, hmm maybe 55. AJ and TJ might check raise?

Also flop is very draw heavy, and given how you played the hand your stats probably indicate very active aggression levels, so giving you a draw would be him quite logical thing to do.

Like mentioned stack sizes per level have lot of meaning, so river bet needs to be imo at least a pot preferably over bet.

All of this has no meaning if your normal play style is as aggressive as indicated by this hand history, going wham wham vs nit. When he calls your check raise, his range is something like {QQ+,AsKs}?
 
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I think you should have assumed an overpair from him with an opening range of 3%. I do not think the bluff check-raise here is horrible, but you did not know how this nit post flop plays. But the bet on the river is terrible (!). Why bet if you know that you are beat. If he did not throw it on your check-raise on the turn - he will not give up on the river.
 
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As others have said:
- fold preflop would have been ok
- pretend a flush on the turn, with a big bet (50% or more of villains stack)
It depends how loose / agressive / bluffing you have been before, villain knows that, this info determines if villain is likely to believe you.
 
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"My villain was born utg", I like that.


3-bet pre, check raised flop, led turn and river, "Was there another way to bluff him off the pot", I like that too.
 
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He was pot committed he was at the top of his range with a made hand already. "I got aces or kings and I am not folding syndrome." You made the correct read on him though.
 
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That player is calling any bet with KK with no ace on board bluffing not good idea check call miss straight draw fold would be the best line pot control good luck in future the degenerate gambler in me would be darn tempted to go all in on flop though
 
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