I played this horribly, right?

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Pretty sure I overvalued my hand here, but I'll break it down.

$1/$2 LIVE table NLHE.
My stack at this point is $90
BB and UTG+2 stacks are around $100

Im on the button, I get AhKc

UTG+2 Raises to $12 (Pretty big raise in comparison to table stakes, but these are the lowest limit the casino offers and this particular player open raised between $12 and $15 all night, he just got chip-happy I guess.)

Fold round to button, I call.
Big Blind calls.

Flop comes Ad,Jh,2h
BB checks
UTG+2 checks
I shove all in...

BB asks for my chip count, tanks for a while, counts out his chips in sets of $10 stacks, then calls.
UTG+2 does Hellmuth style speech, folds.

Turn and River come with 5 and 8.

BB shows pocket 2 for a set.


I don't know what happened to me, I have no idea why I thought it was a good idea to shove, I felt I was way ahead of both these players ranges from the way they've played previously. To me, I'd have folded pocket 2s in the BB position to a 6BB raise from early, considering most of the time at best you're flipping.
I figured pocket 2s out of his range to such a price. He played relatively ABC.

Just, advice or opinions please and no hate for what I feel was a complete fish move...
 
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Stack size sucks here to put in a 3bet pre without shoving but making it around $30/$35 i don't think it can be to bad. Flatting can't be bad either with those stacksizes. Then when he checks i would bet on this board, but not so huge sized. Once he raise your bet on the flop you probably end up calling his shove and it would have the same result. As played i think you can't get away on this on the flop here. But i don't see any reason to make a huge overbet all in on the flop here. Keep in mind i know very little from cashgames and i suck in it. But i am prety sure overbetting so huge here isn't a good move :D.
 
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Stack size sucks here to put in a 3bet pre without shoving but making it around $30/$35 i don't think it can be to bad. Flatting can't be bad either with those stacksizes. Then when he checks i would bet on this board, but not so huge sized. Once he raise your bet on the flop you probably end up calling his shove and it would have the same result. As played i think you can't get away on this on the flop here. But i don't see any reason to make a huge overbet all in on the flop here. Keep in mind i know very little from cashgames and i suck in it. But i am prety sure overbetting so huge here isn't a good move :D.

I guess I could have 3 bet, but with a 3bet to $35 leaving me with only $55 Kinda puts me all in on the flop if I see a flop. I'd feel pot committed.

The stacksizes are horrible, you're right , it makes it very hard to be picky here.
Also you're right again , if I had just check called the flop it would've been hard to get away from, if I bet the flop and saw a 3bet, I'd slow down and really consider what was happening here.
 
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Anymore advice from anyone?
 
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A 3bet preflop would have me folding 22 in the blinds with the original raiser still to act. This is the hidden benefit of 3betting as it drives away all the speculative crap that might come along behind you. If I was the opener Id also fold 22 to a 3 bet.
You are also much more likely to be HU in position with an easy shove on that flop as the pot is already bloated. In reality the only hand to then fear would be the opener having JJ
So 3 bet AK in position which gives you the initiative post flop I mean why wouldn't you?
 
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Not the way I would have played it but not horrible either. It really wasn't that big of an over bet. The pots $37 and what did you have left, $78? I think you get a call here from any ace that raised pre and maybe even a bad AT caller in the BB. Not optimal but +EV IMO.

Tell me, what if you had just bet out on the flop to say $30 and gotten re raised or put all in could you have gotten away from this? I hope the answer is no, not with only $48 behind. The only thing that shoving did was reduce the number of calling hands that you beat. By betting smaller you had a better chance of dragging weaker holdings like Ax KQ or other draws along for the ride. I know you don't want to give them odds to call, but with only $48 behind most draws were never going to get the correct odds to call anyway. But dont expect them to know that.😉

Tell me, what was your plan if you hadn't hit the ace on the flop? Was it to check behind and fold to any action? Raise preflop and shove the flop.
 
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I don't think you played this that bad. If I am being honest, (imagine that...from a poker player!!) I probably would have played this the same way you did preflop. Figaroo is probably right that 3betting in position here is the best way to go because the BB would have folded his 22. Personally, with a 6bb raise in front and only the blinds to act behind me, I would have just called. I think I would be content to take the flop in position with AK. 3betting with 45bb would put you in an awkward spot post flop. You would almost certainly have to shove or call an all in on all but the very worst flops. I just don't like putting myself in that spot. If I want to 3bet in a spot like this, I would rather just move all in preflop. If I am going to have VERY limited options post flop, I don't want to give my opponent a chance to see the flop before he makes his decision. As for your play post flop, I agree with the other posts. I would have made a smaller bet (around 2/3 pot) because you want to keep speculative hands and Ax hands in the pot. Once you move all in, You will only get called by hands that beat you (perhaps AQ or AJ call).
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I am shoving this pre flop for the sole reason that we are not deep stacked. We don't mind taking the pot then and there as the pre flop raise by utg+2 to 6x.

I don't like 3betting small and allowing villain in to see a flop and then if we miss then it is a bad scenario for us. So with our 45 blind stack we can win about 8bb without seeing a flop which i don't mind. Plus if villain calls we have a good chance to double up. If we lose after shoving we don't mind that either whatever the villain calls us with. :cool:
 
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Not the way I would have played it but not horrible either. It really wasn't that big of an over bet. The pots $37 and what did you have left, $78? I think you get a call here from any ace that raised pre and maybe even a bad AT caller in the BB. Not optimal but +EV IMO.

Tell me, what if you had just bet out on the flop to say $30 and gotten re raised or put all in could you have gotten away from this? I hope the answer is no, not with only $48 behind. The only thing that shoving did was reduce the number of calling hands that you beat. By betting smaller you had a better chance of dragging weaker holdings like Ax KQ or other draws along for the ride. I know you don't want to give them odds to call, but with only $48 behind most draws were never going to get the correct odds to call anyway. But dont expect them to know that.😉

Tell me, what was your plan if you hadn't hit the ace on the flop? Was it to check behind and fold to any action? Raise preflop and shove the flop.

I was shoving the flop here I think even if I missed the ace.It would have to be an extremely ugly flop for me to fold. I got it all in when I did, because of the exact reasoning you've given. I'm not calling a raise only to get it all in on the flop to potentially 1 extra caller. If I call a bet on the flop instead of shoving, I'm still all in by the river with how short stacked I am. I figured my bestbet was to just get it all in here. Although like someone else pointed out, I probably could have 3bet / shoved all in preflop as well.
 
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