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Hi guys. I've been playing poker for a couple of years now and I just lost tonight and I know I made a stupid decision, but I wanted to get to see what you guys were thinking. I have K Q suited and I raised preflop to 25$ and this is a 1/3 no limit at the casino. Only one player called me and which he was a very loose player. called raised with a 6 2 off suit and 9 3 off suit. so I knew what I was up against. he called and the flop came 10 6 K and he checked and I bet $40 and he called.i was a flush draw as well. I put him on a king as well or a flush draw. the turn came another 10 and he bet 30 and I raised to $70. and then he went all in. so now this is a guy the was bluffing and called with stupid hands. he was down $1000 and losing. I noticed he did that all in thing a lot and I was put committed. I called him all in and I got the flush on the river. my all in was about 425. A part of me didn't wanted to call his all in. I figured one king will give me a full house and a Dimond will give me a flush. plus I had top pair with good kicker. and I got the flush and I had him beat until when he turned his pocket 10s. I think I shouldn't have called his all in but if he was a tight player I would have folded but he was a very lose player. I need some input to what I did wrong or what I could have done differently????. THANK YOU
 
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Even bad players get good hands. Sounds like a bit of a cooler given your read. However, you could have certainly bet a bit less here and there and saved some money probably. Opening to $25 in a 1/3 game? I think just checking behind on the turn might be better (way ahead/behind). It's one of those situations in which you only get called by better hands. You grossly overplayed your hand. Live and learn.
 
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you could of bet less, knowing how he can call you with 6,2 off and re-raised you with nothing or with something, it seems that he could of taken all your chips by letting the manipulation of his actions and game fool you, your making strong bets with a gambler and you follow right by his side.
 
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This is a great example of how a players table image can influence your play. Like you said he had been playing trash and was down. However when playing a loose style of play it helps you max gain with your strong hands due to most players will think your making a move and don't have the nuts. Question I ask you is how did he bet when he had a hand verses holding trash. You have to watch there betting patterns on when they have the nuts verses nothing. The second ten on the board should have sent off a warning that he might have the ten especially with him betting out on turn. Once the board paired you have to consider that your flush draw is dead. Since he had a pocket pair and hit the hidden set which is one of the toughest reads to make try just calling on turn. When he bet 30 on the turn after he check called 40 on flop, that should have gave you some concern, since its a lower bet instead of a higher bet, which is what a turn bet usually is after a bet on the flop. Its like he bet small and knew you had a king so he was trying to keep you in the pot, and not scare you off.
 
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This is a great example of how a players table image can influence your play. Like you said he had been playing trash and was down. However when playing a loose style of play it helps you max gain with your strong hands due to most players will think your making a move and don't have the nuts. Question I ask you is how did he bet when he had a hand verses holding trash. You have to watch there betting patterns on when they have the nuts verses nothing. The second ten on the board should have sent off a warning that he might have the ten especially with him betting out on turn. Once the board paired you have to consider that your flush draw is dead. Since he had a pocket pair and hit the hidden set which is one of the toughest reads to make try just calling on turn. When he bet 30 on the turn after he check called 40 on flop, that should have gave you some concern, since its a lower bet instead of a higher bet, which is what a turn bet usually is after a bet on the flop. Its like he bet small and knew you had a king so he was trying to keep you in the pot, and not scare you off.
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thank you all for the advice and your time

from what I understood he was a very loose player and would go all in or call big bets with middle pair, which I think thats what made him kind of dangerous because I saw he got lucky on the river a few times and bad beat some players but would loose is right back because of his style of play. And one reason I didn't fold my hand which I should have done on the turn the the previous hand me and him went heads up and I won about 200$ and I had the nut flush and what ever I was betting he was calling or even raised me if I'm not mistaken and all he had was a pair. completely ignored the fact that a flush was possible with 3 hearts on the board. and I thought he was frustrated because of that. because he did show such action with other player. I know I should have just checked and folded when he bet with two 10s on the board to minimize my loss in that hand. Whats been bothering me is the fact I don't make decisions like that costs me a lot of my money, but just like anything in life, I make mistakes and I can only learn from it, now that I think about it I feel that I was attached to the king and didn't wanted to fold and not accepting the fact that there are other hands that could beat me...at the end it cost me about $600 and I sat on that table with $100 so I was up $500.. The thing is loosing money doesn't bother me as much as my bad decisions.
 
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The thing is loosing money doesn't bother me as much as my bad decisions.
If you had left the table while the fish was there, is that not another bad decision?You had mentioned earlier that this fish would win by fluke and then abruptly lose, As long as I have money in front of me, I would never leave the table when there is someone literally giving his money away.
 
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Have not read other comments but here’s my take:

Preflop: your raise is a little high imo, but I get that live games can play bigger than usual so fine.


Flop: your c-bet is too high. If he’s loose and tilting, I’d prefer to keep the pot manageable unless I’m very sure of how he plays. Since you are not, and actually know he has a very wide range, best to keep the pot manageable ($30 bet) until you have more info. His call honestly doesn’t tell you much, given his tilt and range.


Turn: his donk bet polarizes his range... he either has a mediocre hand (i.e., draw) that he wants cheap or a very strong hand and he wants value. Neither scenario calls for a raise on your part and DEFINITELY not that small of one. Again, you are building a pot when you aren’t sure of your hand strength or your opponent’s. Just call, or maybe possibly raise very big if you were sure he was weak.


When he re-raises he has further polarized his range...so he either has you crushed or is bluffing (semi-bluff at best). If you think he’s bluffing, it’s a call. If you think he has ONE 10 in his hand (or a different set/boat), you fold. Unless he shoved for like $60 more you should not be entertaining a suck out (with a K or flush)...the odds aren’t there.
 
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thank you for the breakdown and your opinion, very helpfull in the future. I have thought myself that sometimes letting hands go is a better play than holding on and end up chasing or being pot committed, or even sometimes knowing my opponent has me crushed...In this situation I made a poor decision I was ignoring all the signs that this loose player could have me crushed and I was attached to what I had and with the way I saw him play I thought my king is good to take the pot or when I made my flush and the fact that I called his "all in" kind of bothers me because I have seen players make that mistake and I because THAT player....I guess I had to make that mistake myself to learn a little better lol
 
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Im not going to lie I wouldn't of played it much different, the chances of him having pocket 10s is slim and you have top pair, a flush draw and a good kicker
 
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