How's this move?

I'll show you all a move here and you all tell me if this was a good move.
First've all i'd like to just say i'm becoming more adept to how things work in 6 max and 2ndly bluffing is becoming my good friend .


pokerstars Game #19496069365: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2008/08/09 - 22:00:28 (ET)
Table 'Renate' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Quinnmob1 ($102.60 in chips)
Seat 2: MJHmale ($168.50 in chips)
Seat 3: McRoNiX ($109.85 in chips)
Seat 4: abdi122 ($50.30 in chips)
Seat 5: garsn ($122 in chips)
Seat 6: pipi486 ($107.45 in chips)
McRoNiX: posts small blind $0.50
abdi122: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to abdi122 [Th 8h]
garsn: folds
pipi486: folds
Quinnmob1: folds
MJHmale: raises $3 to $4
McRoNiX: folds
abdi122: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [5d 2d 8d]
abdi122: checks
MJHmale: bets $8
abdi122: calls $8
*** TURN *** [5d 2d 8d] [Qd]
abdi122: checks
MJHmale: bets $10
abdi122: raises $28.30 to $38.30 and is all-in
MJHmale: folds
Uncalled bet ($28.30) returned to abdi122
abdi122 collected $42.35 from pot
abdi122: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $44.50 | Rake $2.15
Board [5d 2d 8d Qd]
Seat 1: Quinnmob1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: MJHmale (button) folded on the Turn
Seat 3: McRoNiX (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: abdi122 (big blind) collected ($42.35)
Seat 5: garsn folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: pipi486 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Now this move was a high risk move, but I'll let u all into my thought process and you all tell me, if i'm looking at everything in a wrong manner or if i'm on track.

1) I like to see alot of flops, so raises really don't mean that much to me at, all, (just to let you all know before hand), I realize that ppl raise alot in 6 max, and I also realized that just because they raise doesn't mean they really have anything but 2 cards, and are looking to A)bluff me, or B) hit and then stack

2) Now lets look at his preflop raise, and his raise on the flop, A) It doesn't add up to me, what I mean is if he had a big hand, AA,KK,QQ, AK, this flop isn't good for you unless you and the diamond draw with it, correct? Now if he had the diamond draw with this, would he have bet so much? No not really! because he'd want to get me to stack against him with a weaker diamond got what I mean? His raise here felt to me as a protecting my hand type of raise or a feeler type of raise, or a continuation bet (whichever one you choose doesn't matter)

3) Now on to the turn the diamond card I was actually hoping to hit, the reason I was hoping for this was, this card is the only card that scares of anyone with a big Pair with no diamond, and this is the best chance to make my move. His bet to me was just a bet to see if I was alittle tooken back by the 4th flush card out, and it was as if to say, hey, i'm calling you if you push type of a bluff attempt against me (I hope you all still follow)
Which is why I did what I did, and called his bluff

Even though I won the pot, i'm wondering if I went about this correctly, and if I should just stop with these high risk bluffs all together or what?

I agree with your thinking, except for the fact that you were shortstacked, and this person had you covered by a landslide. In that sense, since a decent amount had been invested, there was a solid shot you would get called, even if he only had top pair, or higher pockets. And as you said, he might have had a KK, but he might have had one of those K as the diamond, and the raise after flop would be to draw more money out of you/to feel if you had the flush already.
It was quite a gamble, but clearly, you must have sent the table impression, of being fairly tight/serious, because if i was him, i would have called you, especially if for some reason i had empliyed his previous betting strategy up until the fold.

I'd say it was a pretty bad move and you just got lucky to be honest. Your stack is so small he will be inclined to call with a lot of hands, you're just lucky that he didn't have a diamond in his hand.

Also I hate your call preflop, if you're going to play a hand like T8s it's going to be for implied odds and since you're playing with a 50bb stack you're probably not getting those odds. Either play with a full stack or don't play those types of hands.

SeanyJ said:

I'd say it was a pretty bad move and you just got lucky to be honest. Your stack is so small he will be inclined to call with a lot of hands, you're just lucky that he didn't have a diamond in his hand.

Also I hate your call preflop, if you're going to play a hand like T8s it's going to be for implied odds and since you're playing with a 50bb stack you're probably not getting those odds. Either play with a full stack or don't play those types of hands.

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I personally don't like to buy in for full stack, right away, I will if I go broke once just to get it all back, but I do this for many reasons, first it actually controlls me somewhat, and 2ndly, if I win so much it will look alot better then winning the same amount but at full stack, (I hope you follow). What I mean by this is Say I sat down with full stack, and worked it up to about 400, or I sat down with half, and worked it up to the same, both are 400, just one is alittle bit more rewarding in my eyes, I know it makes no sense but I see what your saying

If you buy win with a full stack you would end up with more than $400. You're not going to go from $50 to $400 without doubling up your stack. So lets say you went from $50 to $100 by doubling up, so now you have $100. But if you had started with $100 you would have $200 from doubling up instead.

Anyway I don't care if you buy in short, even though it's generally a bad idea but you shouldn't be playing those kind of hands when you do buy in short.

First of all, buying in for half a stack at 6 max is just dumb. Especially if you like to "see alot of flops" as you put it, and especially with high implied odds hands like t8s. Either play short stacked (20bbs) or full stacked 100bbs.

So buy in for $100 or move down to NL50 imo, and also you should probably start posting all these threads in the HA forum not in the main forum.

Moved to HA.

I would comment, but I'm not convinced you actually want to hear what I've got to say

Are you honestly telling me that preflop raise plus cbet plus double barrel is never a diamond? Almost all Adx hands cbet this flop and a flopped straight isn't out of the question. Sorry, don't like the play at all, but what do I know, I suck at 6max

You made a standard short-stack steal attempt(which payed) but to a player paying attention to you, would have busted you.
TBH, I have little respect(bet wise) for players who buy-in short because most of those types often are there to double up through bluffs most time, they do not have a sufficient stack to play flops and have a tendancy to be calling stations.
I have busted many players who think they can take the pot on a bluff when they buy-in short.
It may be a flaw of mine not to respect bets from a player who buys in short, but for the times I have lost to the short stack, I have made the right calls more times to make up for any losses that i have made.