How to get value out of this...

tonymaclennan · Jun 26, 2007

pokerstars Game #10632836402: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/06/26 - 15:29:34 (ET)
Table 'Kentaurus' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: tonymaclenna ($3.29 in chips)
Seat 2: ASHKID ($4.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Chrzaszczyk ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: Rpolarbear61 ($2.67 in chips)
Seat 6: lifepulse ($3.75 in chips)
Seat 7: bigstew89 ($3.19 in chips)
Seat 9: chuckwagon00 ($4.78 in chips)
chuckwagon00: posts small blind $0.01
tonymaclenna: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tonymaclenna [Ac Ks]
ASHKID: calls $0.02
Chrzaszczyk: folds
Rpolarbear61: folds
lifepulse: folds
bigstew89: calls $0.02
chuckwagon00: calls $0.01
tonymaclenna: raises $0.08 to $0.10
ASHKID: folds
bigstew89: calls $0.08
chuckwagon00: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 4h Kc]
tonymaclenna: checks
bigstew89: checks
*** TURN *** [Qs 4h Kc] [Kd]
tonymaclenna: checks
bigstew89: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qs 4h Kc Kd] [5s]
tonymaclenna: bets $0.10
bigstew89: folds
tonymaclenna collected $0.24 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.24 | Rake $0
Board [Qs 4h Kc Kd 5s]
Seat 1: tonymaclenna (big blind) collected ($0.24)
Seat 2: ASHKID folded before Flop
Seat 3: Chrzaszczyk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rpolarbear61 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lifepulse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bigstew89 (button) folded on the River
Seat 9: chuckwagon00 (small blind) folded before Flop

The opponent is a tight player, do you think I could have played this differently to get more value out of it?

tenbob · Jun 26, 2007

Nope dont think you could have gotten any more value out of this. Looks like he was set mining against you with a medium/small pair. I dont know why you would want to check a flop like this, you have a hand that need a little protection, its simply not strong enough to slow play..

stormswa · Jun 26, 2007

tenbob said:
Nope dont think you could have gotten any more value out of this. Looks like he was set mining against you with a medium/small pair. I dont know why you would want to check a flop like this, you have a hand that need a little protection, its simply not strong enough to slow play..

i totally agree with all of this.

dj11 · Jun 26, 2007

me too, but then I'm......

spore · Jun 26, 2007

Yup, he could have called with a hand like JTs and you're giving him free odds to draw for the straight. Quite possibly was a PP, same deal you're giving him odds to draw to the set. Now obviously after the turn you'd love for him to catch the set on the river.. but on the flop you just have TPTK. Definitely throw out a bet on the flop to give your opponent bad odds to draw.. then if they do call, well that's money in your pocket. Anywho, slowplaying only works in very specific situations.. flopping TPTK 7-handed is not one of them.

bw07507 · Jun 26, 2007

Now obviously after the turn you'd love for him to catch the set on the river

If he hits a set on the river he has a full boat and beats your trips

stormswa · Jun 26, 2007

spore said:
Yup, he could have called with a hand like JTs and you're giving him free odds to draw for the straight. Quite possibly was a PP, same deal you're giving him odds to draw to the set. Now obviously after the turn you'd love for him to catch the set on the river.. but on the flop you just have TPTK. Definitely throw out a bet on the flop to give your opponent bad odds to draw.. then if they do call, well that's money in your pocket. Anywho, slowplaying only works in very specific situations.. flopping TPTK 7-handed is not one of them.

why would we want him to catch a set on the river?

all we have is trip kings?

stormswa · Jun 26, 2007

bw07507 said:
If he hits a set on the river he has a full boat and beats your trips

lol didnt read yours before I responded.

stormswa · Jun 26, 2007

spore said:
Yup, he could have called with a hand like JTs and you're giving him free odds to draw for the straight. Quite possibly was a PP, same deal you're giving him odds to draw to the set. Now obviously after the turn you'd love for him to catch the set on the river.. but on the flop you just have TPTK. Definitely throw out a bet on the flop to give your opponent bad odds to draw.. then if they do call, well that's money in your pocket. Anywho, slowplaying only works in very specific situations.. flopping TPTK 7-handed is not one of them.

when were we 7 handed? are we looking at different hand histories?

i only see 2 people in pot?

tonymaclennan said:
PokerStars Game #10632836402: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2007/06/26 - 15:29:34 (ET)
Table 'Kentaurus' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: tonymaclenna ($3.29 in chips)
Seat 2: ASHKID ($4.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Chrzaszczyk ($5 in chips)
Seat 4: Rpolarbear61 ($2.67 in chips)
Seat 6: lifepulse ($3.75 in chips)
Seat 7: bigstew89 ($3.19 in chips)
Seat 9: chuckwagon00 ($4.78 in chips)
chuckwagon00: posts small blind $0.01
tonymaclenna: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tonymaclenna [Ac Ks]
ASHKID: calls $0.02
Chrzaszczyk: folds
Rpolarbear61: folds
lifepulse: folds
bigstew89: calls $0.02
chuckwagon00: calls $0.01
tonymaclenna: raises $0.08 to $0.10
ASHKID: folds
bigstew89: calls $0.08
chuckwagon00: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 4h Kc]
tonymaclenna: checks
bigstew89: checks
*** TURN *** [Qs 4h Kc] K♦
tonymaclenna: checks
bigstew89: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qs 4h Kc Kd] 5♠
tonymaclenna: bets $0.10
bigstew89: folds
tonymaclenna collected $0.24 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $0.24 | Rake $0
Board [Qs 4h Kc Kd 5s]
Seat 1: tonymaclenna (big blind) collected ($0.24)
Seat 2: ASHKID folded before Flop
Seat 3: Chrzaszczyk folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Rpolarbear61 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: lifepulse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: bigstew89 (button) folded on the River
Seat 9: chuckwagon00 (small blind) folded before Flop

The opponent is a tight player, do you think I could have played this differently to get more value out of it?

Mehman · Jun 26, 2007

i think the only extra value you would have got from the hand would be a continuation bet on the flop then he would have folded the turn bet anyway, it's hard to get value out of a hand when your opponent has K high unfortunatly.

jaymfc · Jun 27, 2007

i would have continued betting trying to get him out before he hit the str8 but ,we now see you wouldnt have got much more but he may have had many outs to bet you and you let him draw free with weak hand.