how should i have handled this SB special

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pokerstars Game #7517260587: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2006/12/19 - 20:05:03 (ET)
Table 'Cruithne' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: brutus34 ($5.70 in chips)
Seat 2: Gimme 3 More ($9.40 in chips)
Seat 4: MLKOZ ($2.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Shizophrenia ($24 in chips)
Seat 6: syriahunter ($14.15 in chips)
Seat 7: ripphoff ($8.40 in chips)
Seat 8: aquama ($39.25 in chips)
Seat 9: An Imposter ($6 in chips)
brutus34: posts small blind $0.05
Gimme 3 More: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to brutus34 [3c Qd]
MLKOZ: calls $0.10
Shizophrenia: folds
syriahunter: folds
ripphoff: calls $0.10
aquama: folds
An Imposter: folds
brutus34: calls $0.05
Gimme 3 More: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs 9c Qh]
brutus34: checks
Gimme 3 More: checks
MLKOZ: bets $0.50
ripphoff: calls $0.50
brutus34: raises $0.50 to $1
Gimme 3 More: folds
MLKOZ: folds
ripphoff: folds
brutus34 collected $1.85 from pot

did i screw it up:icon_scra
 
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I would of called on the flop and raised the turn
 
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Check-raising makes it pretty obvious you have the Queen, but I quite like it. It'll give you some extra information - if you get raised back, you can bin it since you can be sure your kicker's no good. There's also not much point in hanging around until the turn before raising, because if someone's got a pocket pair they could hit for a full house, or JT / KJ etc could hit a straight. Why give free cards that may help your opponents to improve but probably won't help you.

There's also an argument for betting right out, namely your opponents probably won't believe you have a Queen and may call, although if you get raised it's then more difficult to tell whether you're beat or you're being bluffed. And a lot of the time your opponents will just fold when you lead. So a check-raise is a pretty good way to play it.

The only thing I'd do slightly differently would be to raise more, rather than a min-raise. Don't worry about not winning a huge pot. Unlikely your opponents are going to put much more in unless they get something that can beat you, and you don't want to be putting huge amounts of money in unless you hit a full house.
 
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not gonna get much out of a flop like this.
 
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Hmm... Bombjack, my first thought was same as you - raise more to guard against a higher kicker, but is that really needed with a 9 on the board?

Unless your opponent has a kicker higher than T you're still in with a good chance of winning or splitting the pot here, so I quite like the small raise.

Myx
 
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It's not to "guard against" a higher kicker. If someone has the other Queen you can be fairly sure you're going to lose, unless they have something like Q8 and there's another card higher than a Nine hits the board. (You need 5 cards to make a hand, not 4, so the subsequent board cards are important.) I would raise more because a) you get more value out of it, b) it costs them more to draw to a straight/fh, c) mini-raises look really suspicious

Your opponent's kicker with a Queen, unless they're in they're in the big blind, will almost always be 9+.
 
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Check-call the flop and turn. Then, raise on the river but I don't think you could have gotten moe chips out of this hand.
 
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MLKOZ: bets $0.50
ripphoff: calls $0.50
brutus34: raises $0.50 to $1


no, you need to raise there (between 1.50 - 2.00) to get J10 that could easily be in there, out of there.
 
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Check-call the flop and turn. Then, raise on the river but I don't think you could have gotten moe chips out of this hand.


I strongly disagree. Granted, you've flopped trips, but thats by no means a nut had - there's still a straight out there, as well as the potential for someone to boat out on any card. I think it is far better to take down the pot just as you did. You've got to push any drawing hand out of the way, otherwise if they hit you're going to be betting/calling on a dead hand.

Better to win the small pot than lose the big one.

Oh, and in case no-one else said it - Q3 preflop, even from the SB, is a questionable play. Out of position with weak cards, be glad you could even win the pot at all.
 
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I strongly disagree...there's still a straight out there, as well as the potential for someone to boat out on any card. I think it is far better to take down the pot just as you did. You've got to push any drawing hand out of the way, otherwise if they hit you're going to be betting/calling on a dead hand.

They all folded on a mini-raise (.50). Either the other players are tight or didn't have straight draws. A mini-raise DOESN"T "push any drawing hands out of the way." If you're going to raise to get out the straight drawers, raise more than .50.
 
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They all folded on a mini-raise (.50). Either the other players are tight or didn't have straight draws. A mini-raise DOESN"T "push any drawing hands out of the way." If you're going to raise to get out the straight drawers, raise more than .50.

I can defintely agree with that. For some reason, I thought this was from a limit game, but I re-read the original post and discovered my mistake.
MY answer remains the same, other than to bet bigger - a 2/3 pot size bet or so.
 
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Oh, and in case no-one else said it - Q3 preflop, even from the SB, is a questionable play. Out of position with weak cards, be glad you could even win the pot at all.

i play most every hand from small blind.

honestly i never thought about straight draws with J 10 or such out possibly out there. lucky the mini raise didnt come back to bite me.
 
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