How often will you make this call?

Reads on villain so far are that he's a bit of a loon. I have seen him make some crazy overbets and called big bets with virtually nothing. He likes his AI button.

I don't have the hand, so I'm in manual mode here.

Game is 25NL.

I'm UTG ($33.20 stack) and villain is UTG+1 ($26.00 stack)

My hole cards are AcJs and I raise to $1.00 (a little dicey, yes, but I have been playing tight)

He calls. MP calls and BB calls.

Flop Jh 2s 8s

Pot is $4.10, I bet $4.00 (I don't want to check and give cards here with the 2 spades, rather take the pot right now)

Villain calls, MP folds, BB folds.

Turn is a 9h.

Ok, so I have the straight to worry about, and two flush draws. Is he calling my initial raise with QT? He could have.

Pot is $12.10.

I still feel like I have the best hand. I bet $5.00.

He shoves his last $21.00

Honestly, I think he is on a flush draw. While possible, the QT is unlikely, and I am betting he didin't hit a set.

I have spent alot of money learning the hard way not to overplay TPTK, and maybe still learing. Even with the guys history at the table, I took a little while to make my decision.

Will you call this?

Given your read I call.

Ok so im torn on this hand. But i think id just get it in.

if he likes to overbet air tptk is way ahead of his range. jam and hope he didnt luckbox i think.

On second thought, I have to say it's important to note when you've seen him push with air. What streets does he do it on? bluff-raising or semibluffing the flop is quite common; raising the river with air is common on busted draws. But bluff-raising the turn is a pretty sophisticated play.

Your turn bet does look weak, however, so he could be doing it with a pretty wide range.

Also I think your flop bet is too big. It's kinda like you're headed for stack-off mode on the flop and then chickened out on the turn. Bet 3/4 on the flop then 2/3 on the turn.

baudib1 said:

On second thought, I have to say it's important to note when you've seen him push with air. What streets does he do it on? Bluff-raising or semibluffing the flop is quite common; raising the river with air is common on busted draws. But bluff-raising the turn is a pretty sophisticated play.

Your turn bet does look weak, however, so he could be doing it with a pretty wide range.

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I thought about that.

He's technically short of odds for a flush draw, though, correct?

your flop bet is almost pot and your turn bet is not even half of the pot which is not a very good betting. With the given info, I'm calling this hoping he shows up with bottom of his range and his range is really wide here.

bob_tiger said:

your flop bet is almost pot and your turn bet is not even half of the pot which is not a very good betting. With the given info, I'm calling this hoping he shows up with bottom of his range and his range is really wide here.

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Correct bet amounts are still a problem in my game, and I think I typically end up on the weak side.

Even with the straight possibility on the turn, bigger bet? Baudib 1 suggested 2/3 pot ($8)?

ETA: I think we can agree he's shoving either way.

TheNoob said:

Correct bet amounts are still a problem in my game, and I think I typically end up on the weak side.

Even with the straight possibility on the turn, bigger bet? Baudib 1 suggested 2/3 pot ($8)?

ETA: I think we can agree he's shoving either way.

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yea I agree with baudib 3/4 on the flop and then 2/3 on the turn. I'm pretty sure I'm calling either way vs villain.

Well, I made the call. He held 8c 10c. Shoved with a low pair and a two way straight draw.

I'm 4:1 on the flop and a little over 2:1 on the turn.

Nice win, but obviously I posted here because I was unsure of the way I played it.

Thanks to all.

This a good ? It depends on the player,looks like the typical float,to me.
soon as you let up he insta pushes playing a float.
if he really had a big drawing hand,should be more aggressive.
Be allin on turn,So i would make the call.

TheNoob said:

I have spent alot of money learning the hard way not to overplay TPTK, and maybe still learing.

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TPTK is basically the nuts vs a spazz. Ppl who say "you should never play TPTK for stacks" have no clue what they are talking about. Bet $8-9 on turn, but yea you should never ever fold this vs a guy who can make moves w/ a wide range. In fact, the way you describe him you really should be snap calling this. Bad aggro players can show up with so much complete trash here that i doubt 8T was anywhere near the bottom of villain's range.

Pot is $4.10, I bet $4.00 (I don't want to check and give cards here with the 2 spades, rather take the pot right now)

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Really don't like the logic. You have a relative monster vs an awful player and you want to take the pot right now? You actually want to fold out a draw/bad hand instead of getting value for your hand? Obviously you don't want to check, but you should be begging for a call from villain, which it doesn't seem like you were wanting given ^^ statement and your bet sizing.

Honestly, there is probably not a card in the deck that could come that would make me not want to play this for stacks. Sure there are tons of "scare cards" but vs a spaz who is probably playing like 70%+ of his hands, hardly ever folding to cbets and jamming all sorts of crap, his range is so wide regardless of any turn/river actions or cards that playing for stacks is never wrong imo.

IMO you really need to get over your fear of being stacked. You play too timid. Being willing to lose some money would help you win alot more imo by not missing out on alot of value.

Agree with feitr, although I like the bigger flop bet as well. It's not because we want him to fold though it's because he's never folding a flush draw and we may as well make him pay full price for it. But you also need to bet the turn bigger. QT is one hand in his entire range. In fact I'm pretty sure he didn't even have implied odds to call flop with QT even if you stack 100% of the time here.

But in general you really need to have a plan for this hand. You should not usually bet and then have no idea what to do if raised. Almost always think "bet and fold to a raise" or "bet and get it in", etc. Obviously if you pick up a timing tell or the bet sizing is different you can change your mind, but it just seems like you sorta thought you needed to bet, were really scared, but didn't know what to do after he raised. Obviously you're calling, in which case you need to bet more. If you're going to pay the straight off anyway, don't give him such good odds to draw on a super-drawy board.

You're obviously ill at ease playing this hand out of position. My advice: fold preflop.

feitr said:

. ..........You play too timid......... .

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Biggest problem in my game, I think. We've talked about this before, and it's a recurring theme.

Among the technical and strategic weaknesses in my game, the lack of properly timed aggression may be my biggest leak.

zachvac said:

But in general you really need to have a plan for this hand. You should not usually bet and then have no idea what to do if raised. .

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See above. Even though I should have anticipated it from his actions at the table, the shove put me off balance and I'm suddenly thinking oh crap, you're going to overplay TPTK again.

As feitr stated, though, with the reads on this guy I should have assumed my hand to be good.

BelgoSuisse said:

You're obviously ill at ease playing this hand out of position. My advice: fold preflop.

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Yeah, it's true that my skills (or lack of) make this an uncomfortable hand UTG pf, so that might be advice I want to consider. I will usually play it, though, so hopefully feedback here will help me to play it better.

Thanks again to all.