How do you play after you flop the nuts ?

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Playing last monday night, $50 game 9 players,blinds 25-50 2nd hand, 2500 starting chips im on the button, KillerKat (my girlfriend, BOO !!!) is UTG SHE raises to 300 in total, 4 callers i look down to

:ad4: :9d4:

Im on the button so i call, the small blind folds and the BB calls

FLOP

:2d4: :8d4: :10d4:

KillerKat UTG bets 300, folded around to me on the button, flat call

TURN

:4d4:


KillerKat bets 300, I flat call

RIVER

:10c4:

Worrying, but KillerKat checks I bet 600, she calls and shows
:kd4: :ah4:

Flush King high, beaten by my Ace high flush.

The question is how do you play it when you flop the stone cold nut hand ?
 
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Depends on the opponent, but most of the time I raise the turn here. Flat calling repeatedly on a board like that to me is even more of a danger sign than a raise. Because there was no raise from you preflop on the button it will be hard for anyone to put you on an Ace, let alone the Ad, so hopefully opponents will put you on a steal. You get more value out of trying to induce a call of a turn raise here than check/calling the turn and hoping for a value bet or a bluff on the river.
 
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Well I'd have done the same as you Tenbob, but am interested in Dorkus' reply - i'll try this should the occassion ever occur! You're obviously balancing a tightrope with these bets - you want to bet enough to get a decent pot, but little enough to induce a call which you did. Big rookie mistake I always see is people overbetting big hands, and only picking up a fraction what they should have. You didn't know Kat had such a good hand - a raise could trigger immediate fold in a lot of cases.

I'd have bet 300 on river, so you won more than I would have!
 
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I didn't notice you said she raised preflop UTG. It's easier for her to put you on the Ad then I guess, considering you called a raise.

It is very player dependent though - 2 people may play the same hand differently, which is why a good read is important in maximising your gain in spots like this.

When you next see Kat, ask her why she bet so little on the turn. I thought it was a small bet even before I noticed the pot was raised preflop, with the preflop raise it's a tiny fraction of the pot. Whether to call the turn or raise here depends on whether you think such a tiny bet from your opponent is a sign of strength or weakness (with very bad players it's usually weakness - in which case you flat-call, with other players it could be either, so pay attention to betting patterns).
 
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I usually slow play the nuts and observe how the other player(s) bet. If they are betting heavily, I raise but not by much. When the river comes and they are still betting, that's when I usually make a big raise. If no one is betting, I'll check. Usually when you bet even the minimum when everybody checks, almost all of them fold. Why should you do that when you can get more money out of them. Milk them as much money as you can out of them. :icon_thum
 
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Hitting a flush like that on the flop is much more dngerous than you might think. Last time I tried to slow play a nut flopped flush opponent drew to a straight flush. Flushes are very strong hands but when the board paired your hand just weakened considerably! You had a GOOD pot on the flop no reason to slow play fire hard. You MUST consider the size of the pot if it is already a large pot and you have the nuts fire hard and protect your hand. This hand would only be tricky if there had been no preflop raising and you would be in a situation where you need to build a pot. Relatively BIG pot no need to slow play SMALL pots get tricky BIG pots protect your hand by betting! btw you shouldn't have called a 6x BB raise with a A9 suited. Tighten up considerably to preflop raises. To a preflop raise, you shoul fold or reraise rarely should you just call a prelfop raise in NL. IMHO anyway
 
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This thing happened to me today on Jetset. I limped in late postion with A 3 hearts with no raise before me or after.(guess I shoulda played it differently but I didn't raise preflop)
Flop comes 3 3 A (cool I'm thinking) everyone checks I check, turn comes(don't remember what it was) check around. River comes 8 I bet half the pot guy in SB position raises me I reraise him(this is where I really screwed up) He reraise me all in dang if I didn't call. Guy had Pocket 8s :eek: killed me :frown:
So I don't think I will be slow playing the nuts very often anymore unless it's the absolute nuts!
 
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DESSERTLADY said:
This thing happened to me today on Jetset. I limped in late postion with A 3 hearts with no raise before me or after.(guess I shoulda played it differently but I didn't raise preflop)
Flop comes 3 3 A (cool I'm thinking) everyone checks I check, turn comes(don't remember what it was) check around. River comes 8 I bet half the pot guy in SB position raises me I reraise him(this is where I really screwed up) He reraise me all in dang if I didn't call. Guy had Pocket 8s :eek: killed me :frown:
So I don't think I will be slow playing the nuts very often anymore unless it's the absolute nuts!
You didn't do anything wrong re-raising and calling. Yes there were a handful of hands he could have had that would have beat you, but the strong likelihood was that you had the best hand. You wouldn't really fold this would you?
 
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The reason that i called the raise in the first place was for a few reasons, I play with KillerKat a lot and i knew her UTG raise meant either AA AK KK maybe AQ, and i knew i was a dog pre-flop

With 4 callers I felt that the flop was worth a look, the pot was huge at this stage, and considering the pace that this game moves at it really wasnt that much of a chunk of chips. (the blinds increase every 10mins) 25-50 ,50-100 ,100-200 ,200-400 , 300-600 etc

The game in question needs to be played a little bit differently, at some stage you have to make a move if you havnt had a bit of luck, and an aggressive play.

Now having said that i also folded top pair twice in that game, and i had to drop a set when the board showed 3 of a flush and 2 players went all-in (both had flushes)

But with 5 players and last to act i think that A9 suited in this situation is worth a look.
 
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tenbob said:
The reason that i called the raise in the first place was for a few reasons, I play with KillerKat a lot and i knew her UTG raise meant either AA AK KK maybe AQ, and i knew i was a dog pre-flop

With 4 callers I felt that the flop was worth a look, the pot was huge at this stage, and considering the pace that this game moves at it really wasnt that much of a chunk of chips. (the blinds increase every 10mins) 25-50 ,50-100 ,100-200 ,200-400 , 300-600 etc

The game in question needs to be played a little bit differently, at some stage you have to make a move if you havnt had a bit of luck, and an aggressive play.

Now having said that i also folded top pair twice in that game, and i had to drop a set when the board showed 3 of a flush and 2 players went all-in (both had flushes)

But with 5 players and last to act i think that A9 suited in this situation is worth a look.
well as long as you feel you played correctly......
 
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robwhufc said:
You didn't do anything wrong re-raising and calling. Yes there were a handful of hands he could have had that would have beat you, but the strong likelihood was that you had the best hand. You wouldn't really fold this would you?
Rob,
probably not but sometimes I let my finger override my head online :D I know I should have played it just a bit differently atleast bet on the turn rather than checked it. Might have got him off his 2 pair. Who knows.
 
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