Hold or fold KK?

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Check out this one folks. What's my next move here, and why?

PokerStars Game #15965533183: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02) - 2008/03/14 - 01:51:52 (ET)
Table 'Apus III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: howaboutn0 ($4.92 in chips)
Seat 2: ramacan ($8.15 in chips)
Seat 3: poker4fun007 ($6.16 in chips)
Seat 4: insolitude ($12.24 in chips)
Seat 5: BigSurCoast ($5.51 in chips)
Seat 6: Janinho20 ($1.18 in chips)
poker4fun007: posts small blind $0.01
insolitude: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to insolitude [Kh Kc]
BigSurCoast: folds
Janinho20: folds
howaboutn0: raises $0.06 to $0.08
ramacan: folds
poker4fun007: raises $0.06 to $0.14
insolitude: raises $0.34 to $0.48
howaboutn0: folds
poker4fun007: calls $0.34
*** FLOP *** [Qd 7h 9s]
poker4fun007: checks
insolitude: bets $0.64
poker4fun007: raises $1.08 to $1.72
insolitude: ???
 
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smells like aq..and a check raise..I'm salavating and shoving
 
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Reads? Total nit or will he stack off with TP? Effective stacks here are really deep (~300bb) so stacking off even with an overpair is probably a bad idea. If we call his bet here we'll have committed roughly 1/3 of his stack. Tough spot. I think it's a push or fold completely depending on your read. If he's the rare micro stakes guy who would never commit himself to a pot without beating TPTK, we fold. If he's just some schmuck who could care less because it's only $6, we push.
 
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Playing 4 ring tables and 2 SNG, no real reads on anyone. I really need to learn how to take player notes...
 
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What you really need is to get PokerTracker and PokerAce HUD. Then you can multi table and still have stats on people. I would never multi table without them, it's too hard to keep track of that many people at once.

I would probably push, if the guy has aces or a set so be it. At these levels you'll see stuff like AQ or worse call you.
 
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I am using PT3, and will be buying it when it's released.

I'll post the rest of the hand after a few others have had the chance to weigh in.
 
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the bet on the flop says 2 me high pocket pair, you could be behind aces or queens im folding, but that's just me.
 
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I don't like that he check/raises the flop. He's dumb or strong.

With the pre-flop action I don't put him on 7/7, 9/9, Q/9, or Q/7. If you are behind, you're behind to Q/Q or A/A.

I think he's trying to overplay his A/Q with the check/raise. If he had A/A I think he'd have re-popped you pre-flop. Q/Q is possible, but with a Q on the board it's not nearly as likely as A/Q.

I say shove.

I had a similar situation last night, where the guy did the same check/raise move with top pair to the board and an Ace kicker. My hand was better, and he called-my shove (6-max $25NL, for a $55+ pot).

I checked and I do have a few hands against poker4fun007. He was pretty tight,14% VP$IP, but that's based so few hands (17) that it's almost meaningless.
 
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Thanks for the input guys. I folded this hand primarily because of villian's chip stack. I feared a set, and wasn't willing to commit half of my stack with KK (PF sure, but not at this point). I figured if I called his $1.72 now I'd be faced with calling the rest of his stack on the turn. If he had a $2 stack I am sure I would have called.

Turns out this was one of my better folds. Any further thoughts?

insolitude: folds
poker4fun007 collected $2.22 from pot
poker4fun007: shows [Qs Qc] (three of a kind, Queens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $2.32 | Rake $0.10
Board [Qd 7h 9s]
Seat 1: howaboutn0 folded before Flop
Seat 2: ramacan (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: poker4fun007 (small blind) collected ($2.22)
Seat 4: insolitude (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: BigSurCoast folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Janinho20 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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I know this is easy to comment on in retrospect, but I think it was a good fold. Calling with AQ in that spot preflop is crazy. The only reasonable range for his is AA-QQ, which has you crushed.
 
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Strange fold i'd figure you were ahead there but u never know.
The fact that it is .1 to .2 the dude prob raised Q7 pre;)
 
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shoulda called you obviously would have hit your 2 outter on either the turn or the river.
 
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i would hold it after flop...and think again after his turn bet if it is too much i would fold because he had raised enough to fear pre-flop
 
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at .01/.02 you should be shipping in here 100% of the time
 
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at .01/.02 you should be shipping in here 100% of the time


yeah Vanq said it right

good fold this time but at this level you have to be willing to push this almost everytime
 
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I don't agree that this is an auto-shove. We don't get many opportunities to make up losing 300+ bbs. Without some solid reads, I'm not taking that chance with just a pair, regardless of level.
 
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I don't agree that this is an auto-shove. We don't get many opportunities to make up losing 300+ bbs. Without some solid reads, I'm not taking that chance with just a pair, regardless of level.

i mean shipping in on flop with an overpair at .01/.02 is always +EV, unless its multiway monotone connectors or something. at these stakes 'reads' and 'don't go broke with one pair' is way overrated.
 
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i mean shipping in on flop with an overpair at .01/.02 is always +EV, unless its multiway monotone connectors or something. at these stakes 'reads' and 'don't go broke with one pair' is way overrated.

I'll agree at 100bb but not 300. That's like going broke 3 times with 1 pair.
 
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easy shove it's at .01/.02 as many people said I wouldn't be surprised if he had q10 suited lol.
 
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