Hand stats

I need a little help in interpeting these stats. As you can see this is from 5377 games. I think that's a pretty good sample. Now this just gives what I did as general stats but from it would you say this is a good lay of the land for my playing?

bubbasbestbabe said:

I need a little help in interpeting these stats. As you can see this is from 5377 games. I think that's a pretty good sample. Now this just gives what I did as general stats but from it would you say this is a good lay of the land for my playing?

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Limit or No-limit? Tournies or rings and what stakes? Kinda depends, but I'll just tell you what I see.

You don't fold much, which can be bad. But you win more than half the flops you see, which is great. You win less than half your showdowns, which can come from different causes (some good & some bad) depending on the game & stakes you play.

Assuming medium level cash games:


The first thing I notice is the hands played, 57%(preflop fold 43%), that is verrrrry loose. The second is showdows seen win %, 45%, normally some of this can probably be attributed to checkdowns... seeing as you only check 17% of the time, this is unlikely. The third stat that sticks its head out to me is the aggressiveness, which is a style-specific opinion. I play tight in cash games, which would let me see the flop on about 12-20% of my hands. Folding the flop around 30-35% of the time. Checking another 50%.


Depending on your style of play, these stats may be acceptable for a winning game. If you like player loose aggressive, and know how to win large pots and lose small ones, then even your showdown win % being so low really doesnt matter. The only thing I can contribute is the methods I use on my tighter game. Both can be extremely profitable to anyone, depending on which one you are more comfortable/skilled at would be the best choice for you to go with.


May the flops be with you... (and showdowns too )

BBB what kind of player do you consider yourself as? If it's TAG, then you're seeing way too many flops. 46% is high. I think mine is 20%, but I am TAG.
At the end of the day, are you winning?

Yeah, she's seeing a whole lot of flops, but she's winning 55% of the time she sees them, so it's hard to criticize it... is this largely at 6 handed, full table, cash tables or SnGs or a total mix? Winning that often when seeing such a huge amount of flops seems pretty damn impressive to me.

6-max, full tables, or 2-3 handed?

If we're talking 6+ players, 46% flops seen is far too loose. The fact you're playing so many hands and still winning 55% if seeing flops is indicative of either (a) you running good in terms of dealt hands preflop, or more likely (b) you running good in terms of hitting flops.

There's far too much calling going on post-flop, too.

If you play a hand you win 27% of the time?!

Dorkus Malorkus said:

6-max, full tables, or 2-3 handed?

If we're talking 6+ players, 46% flops seen is far too loose. The fact you're playing so many hands and still winning 55% if seeing flops is indicative of either (a) you running good in terms of dealt hands preflop, or more likely (b) you running good in terms of hitting flops.

There's far too much calling going on post-flop, too.

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if they play lo limits, 6 handed, 1 person sitting out on avg, and no one raises much pre flop, that would be 40% just from limping as a blind

If, if, if!

Obviously it's impossible to accurately reply to OP because we have too little information.

I play mostly low limit SNGs. At ring tables I play short handed. I consider myself a very aggressive player. Now as to being tight or loose; I can honestly say it depends .(a little poker humor there). I pick my tables looking for high and fast hand play at the rings. The tables are always full. I don't like playing with sitouts or empty seats. On shorthanded you need full tables to get good calls on your bets. I find these are very good pickings.
I have lately been playing limit micros there and taking $.40 and racking it to $10 within an hour or two of play. The SNGs are single tables. Mostly these games are NLHE.
There is tourney play listed here, freerolls mostly. I find myself loose at the beginning of play, then I tighten up in the middle until the end, when again I loosen up somewhat.

Edit: I R Dum. Never mind.

Try mine for comparison, from the same site and a similar number of hands, oddly enough.

Mine are more or less entirely from 9-man SNGs at $11 buyin or less. Funny that we`ve never met there, probably the time difference. I guess I`m probably off to bed at about the time you would start playing for the evening.

There are a few tournies and cash games in there, but too few to have any real effect on the numbers, I think.

I play very tight early, switching gears as the blinds rise and the number of players falls.

Our stats are quite different in most respects, though I am also a winning player at Absolute.

Wow this is pretty neat. It looks that the LAG play will bring a higher winning percentage. Anyone else play there who wants to post their stats? I'm gonna post these two side by side in another thread for comparision. If you have one list it here and I'll set it up with them

Although all that is nice to know, there's not much anyone can do with that information. It's just not telling enough. I tend to play a little more on the loose side myself, but if all these stats are from full or nearly so tables then, as already observed, you're seeing WAY too many flops. At 46 %, you're through the roof loose. The % of times you actually call, bet or raise is probably even a little higher than that. Granted, you seem to be doing pretty well post flop, at least in terms of win %, but I doubt it comes close to covering the cost of entering those pots. Just for an example, if you stuck to .05/.10 tables, the cost of limping in an extra 10% of the time over your 5700 hands is close to $60.00.

Playing mostly single-table SnGs, there will be a LOT of heads-up play in these 5k+ hands that's going to skew these numbers wildly.

/FP

PS. If this would have been mostly from full ring games, BBB would be on the hottest streak of 5k+ cards I've ever seen. Seeing 46% of flops and winning 55% of those? Yikes.

Just for comparison

Only 1000 hands all cash games nlhe.

a total of 262 times out of 1019 (25%)
Pots won at showdown - 30 out of 49 (61%)
Pots won without showdown - 65

So I am winning 38% of all flops seen.

I know these stats don't mean much but any comments as compared to BBB?

Your numbers are not that far away from mine, Lo-Dog, and I guess some of the difference is because of the different game type.

Thought id go ahead and disclose all my beautifully disguised stats for comparison. (Some info edited out for anonymityyyyy)

I'm glad this thread came up. I like stats

My stats are very similar to Lo-Dog's and Egon's.
6 handed ring games and 6 player SNG's:
About 20% game wins
I see 35% of flops
Showdown win% is 55%
%wins of flops seen = 35%

But I only re-raise 1% of the time. Probably something I need to look at, but it is at least partially symptomatic of the site I play at, which has loads of loose, very passive players, where a raise generally means value.

I have to agree you see way to many flops and just call. I think I see about 20% to 23% of flops on an average day anything more and I quickly get off the PC and scold myself because I will probably get myself into some bad situations seeing more hands than that.

Now to throw a spanner in the works.

I was visiting a friend this weekend who has turned semi-professional. He now only goes into work three days a week, and plays 6+ hrs of online poker per day.

He's making a very good "salary" so far, (enough that he's considering stopping practising law! altogether) with the bulk of his earning coming from ring games. Here's the rub. On ring games (in tourneys he plays TAG), his stats look like a maniac's (and I watched him play-- it is close to feeding frenzy):

He sees 60% of the flops.
Raises / reraises almost 20% of the time.

But wins a massive 27% of all games!
He literally bullies people into submission.

He plays middle limits, and while I agree that he'd get stonewalled by a good, patient TAG like most of us here, he's currently VERY successful with this strategy.

Another characteristic of his play though (in case you were thinking of trying it) is the massive swings in his cash balance over the course of an evening. Playing like he does, he will get called and lose big occasionally. However his losses are offset by having a huge stack compared to everyone else (from earlier wins).

It's entertaining to watch when you see him pushing with rags all the time, but my god, its not for the faint of heart!

these are ring games ,SnGs and tourneys combined and its amazing how close most of us are in stats:

Here are your pokerstars Game Statistics for your last 2000 games
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Hold'em (real money):

2000 hands played and saw flop:
- 106 times out of 272 while in small blind (38%)
- 164 times out of 269 while in big blind (60%)
- 438 times out of 1459 in other positions (30%)
- a total of 708 times out of 2000 (35%)

Pots won at showdown - 88 out of 162 (54%)
Pots won without showdown - 168

loopmeister said:

Now to throw a spanner in the works.

I was visiting a friend this weekend who has turned semi-professional. He now only goes into work three days a week, and plays 6+ hrs of online poker per day.

He's making a very good "salary" so far, (enough that he's considering stopping practising law! altogether) with the bulk of his earning coming from ring games. Here's the rub. On ring games (in tourneys he plays TAG), his stats look like a maniac's (and I watched him play-- it is close to feeding frenzy):

He sees 60% of the flops.
Raises / reraises almost 20% of the time.

But wins a massive 27% of all games!
He literally bullies people into submission.

He plays middle limits, and while I agree that he'd get stonewalled by a good, patient TAG like most of us here, he's currently VERY successful with this strategy.

Another characteristic of his play though (in case you were thinking of trying it) is the massive swings in his cash balance over the course of an evening. Playing like he does, he will get called and lose big occasionally. However his losses are offset by having a huge stack compared to everyone else (from earlier wins).

It's entertaining to watch when you see him pushing with rags all the time, but my god, its not for the faint of heart!

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Im interested, does he change gears a lot? loose to super TAG etc?what stakes does he play. how much of his br does he risk at the table at any one time?
KD

loopmeister said:

Now to throw a spanner in the works.

I was visiting a friend this weekend who has turned semi-professional. He now only goes into work three days a week, and plays 6+ hrs of online poker per day.

He's making a very good "salary" so far, (enough that he's considering stopping practising law! altogether) with the bulk of his earning coming from ring games. Here's the rub. On ring games (in tourneys he plays TAG), his stats look like a maniac's (and I watched him play-- it is close to feeding frenzy):

He sees 60% of the flops.
Raises / reraises almost 20% of the time.

But wins a massive 27% of all games!
He literally bullies people into submission.

He plays middle limits, and while I agree that he'd get stonewalled by a good, patient TAG like most of us here, he's currently VERY successful with this strategy.

Another characteristic of his play though (in case you were thinking of trying it) is the massive swings in his cash balance over the course of an evening. Playing like he does, he will get called and lose big occasionally. However his losses are offset by having a huge stack compared to everyone else (from earlier wins).

It's entertaining to watch when you see him pushing with rags all the time, but my god, its not for the faint of heart!

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On the ring games are these limit or no limit? I was wondering cause I have some of these major swings myself on NL. I've moved to limit to try to smooth them out a little. I'll let you know how that goes.

On the ring games are these limit or no limit? I was wondering cause I have some of these major swings myself on NL. I've moved to limit to try to smooth them out a little. I'll let you know how that goes.

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KerouacsDog said:

Im interested, does he change gears a lot? loose to super TAG etc?what stakes does he play. how much of his br does he risk at the table at any one time?
KD

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In terms of br; it's hard to say. He's won a few big tourneys recently (R40K was his biggest win-- that's 10 month's rent in Cape Town for a 2 bedroom flat if you want to get PPP; the official exchange rate is R7=$1) and uses that to fund his cash games. But he's also drawing spending money out of his br all the time, so, I can't really answer you.

Middle limits (R10 - R20 tables; average pot about R200 - R600. Again for PPP, a beer in a bottle store costs about R4). He plays pot limits mostly but also NL. On the local sites you pretty much take what you can get (the South African online poker scene is still quite lowkey, but growing fast).

From what I saw, in the ring games he tends to go all out about 75% of the time, and then ease back for 15-20 minute periods (ciggie break usually); but generally its flat out.

The basic pattern is (Pot limit)-
PF: fold/limp to "J": Pot-sized raise.
FLOP: wait for a bet, then reraise maximum. 7/10 the opponents fold. 2/10 he wins with a good hand, 1/10 he loses. Overall it +EV (I'm thumbsucking numbers here, but that's roughly how it went).

The real problem (for everyone else) is that no-one ever comes back hard at him. If they do, he just raises them all in. Simple as that. The fold equity that "J" generates is phenomenal.

For me, the real lesson is recognising when you're up against a player like that and not be afraid to play your TPTK.